I also have had some interest in prophecy and prophetic events that have already come to pass. I don’t take much stock in the book of Revelation, as when you read it in the original Greek it falls apart. I have found that the Hebrew renderings of Daniel, Isaiah, and some of the Minor Prophets yield some pretty good stuff. I would love to discuss some of these things with you; maybe we could start another thread. I’ll let you decide on that one.

Here’s an interesting side bar though, the book of Macabees was written circa first century BC.

Do you really need a prophet to tell you that greed will destroy the ability of industry to be a sane replacement to war?

Personally, I could care less about the hobbies people choose to indulge in and to me all this dusting off of ancient text is Indiana Jones story telling.

P.1915 - §3 "And now concerning the travail of Jerusalem, about which I have spoken to you, even this generation will not pass away until my words are fulfilled; but concerning the times of the coming again of the Son of Man, no one in heaven or on earth may presume to speak. But you should be wise regarding the ripening of an age; you should be alert to discern the signs of the times. You know when the fig tree shows its tender branches and puts forth its leaves that summer is near. Likewise, when the world has passed through the long winter of material-mindedness and you discern the coming of the spiritual springtime of a new dispensation, should you know that the summertime of a new visitation draws near.

What living truth is there to be found in a re-written history?

I guess the quote from Page 1070 and the rest of "Sacred and Profane History" did not make the same point to others as it did to me - that the Old Testament is fabricated history....and that the New Testament is corrupted by the attachment of the Old to the New.

….greed will destroy the ability of industry to be a sane replacement to war?
And
…. know when that way of life is under attack by "profets".

We all have a mission we can choose. Mine is to mention that there is an interesting book called "The Urantia Book" available for reading and perusing pleasure.

Interesting to note that the only "promotion" of the UB is in increasing the amount of verbiage being tossed in front of Michael of Nebadon's message of life.

I am trying to recall a single instance of anyone being in an advantagious position, spirituallly or in life in general because they heeded a prophecy. Does anyone out there know of an instance where this has happened?

I would assert that prophecy is the maker of fools and unbalanced hysterics.

Each year since the death of Jesus there has been a movement, limited or widespread, pronouncing that his return is imminent, often with a specific date attached. Without exception, they have all ended the same way. Believers walk away wondering how they could have been so misled. Purporters fade into the background and take their place in the long line of former prophets.

In the past, I have found myself caught up in the excitement of a proclaimed event on the verge of becoming a reality. This is a very disruptive condition to find one's self in. Along with believing that this spectacular thing is going to happen soon, one also has the perspective that everyone else doesn't know what you know. It creates a 'club' of those who 'know' to the exclusion of those who don't - along with a feeling of prestige because of this special knowlege. The idea of the prophecy can grow to occupy one's every waking moment.

The Urantia Book teaches us that we are to walk with responsibility toward our mental, physical and spiritual well being along with a sense of connectedness and love for those around us. Preparing to survive Armeggedon or preparing to be one of the chosen few to survive the last judgement hardly does those things. In fact, investing in prophecy to govern one's life direction pulls us away from our fellows and withdraws us from the workings of the society we live in. One can become a fringe element while everyone walks past, pitying the poor lunatic.

I am trying to recall a single instance of anyone being in an advantagious position, spirituallly or in life in general because they heeded a prophecy. Does anyone out there know of an instance where this has happened?

Despite our best efforts to the contrary, our only option is to live in this present moment. We can plan for the future and we can remember the past. But the future holds more than we can plan for in the long term and the past cannot be revisited, only remembered and learned from. The lessons of our lives are to be used in the present and in line with the will of the Father.

I don't know about you, but for me doing the will of the Father in the present is quite challenging enough. Worrying about when and what some prophecy says is going to happen is an expenditure of mental and emotional effort that does little more than sap my strength from continuing my maddeningly slow spiritual development - not to mention caring for my fellows and making a living.

William

I am trying to recall a single instance of anyone being in an advantagious position, spirituallly or in life in general because they heeded a prophecy. Does anyone out there know of an instance where this has happened?

I dont know I feel I have been advantaged by prophecy in regards to the ancient places.

Real religion is not "prophecy"

All things said & done , ... the Holy Bible is still the # 1 Selling Book .

& It HAS , Does And Will continue to be a great Inspiration of the
Spirit of the word made flesh in Jesus . It has Changed many Lives for the Good , by thee '' Good News '' Within it .

There are more Pearls of wisdom within it , Than Error .

I am trying to recall a single instance of anyone being in an advantagious position, spirituallly or in life in general because they heeded a prophecy. Does anyone out there know of an instance where this has happened?

I don't know about you, but for me doing the will of the Father in the present is quite challenging enough. Worrying about when and what some prophecy says is going to happen is an expenditure of mental and emotional effort that does little more than sap my strength from continuing my maddeningly slow spiritual development - not to mention caring for my fellows and making a living.

Real religion is not "prophecy".

No but it can be apart of religion.

Here's a prophecy for you all - those who were hoping to benefit from a war between "christianity" and "islam" will be held accountable for their crimes.

"Don't ever let your kids hitch a ride from another kid."

Now, I think this women was sent to me by God for a purpose. Was she an angel or just an average obedient, God loving person asked to deliver a prophesy? I don't know; but, it sent shivers down my spine and my sons and I are a lot better for it.

P.1915 - §3 … but concerning the times of the coming again of the Son of Man, no one in heaven or on earth may presume to speak. But you should be wise regarding the ripening of an age; you should be alert to discern the signs of the times. You know when the fig tree shows its tender branches and puts forth its leaves that summer is near. Likewise, when the world has passed through the long winter of material-mindedness and you discern the coming of the spiritual springtime of a new dispensation, should you know that the summertime of a new visitation draws near.

But for them its a time when the soul will be weighed and judged for the very last time before being sentenced to an fixed term in Hell or an eternity in Paradise. So they prepare themselves not only for their own deaths but for their resurrections too, in the future, they do take it very seriously. I dont think its all about preparing for and surviving destruction and catacalysm.... not really, because there is nothing we can do to prevent that, suppose we should just prepare for our own end of times, when we eventually pass over.

P.1915 - §4 "But what is the significance of this teaching having to do with the coming of the Sons of God? Do you not perceive that, when each of you is called to lay down his life struggle and pass through the portal of death, you stand in the immediate presence of judgment, and that you are face to face with the facts of a new dispensation of service in the eternal plan of the infinite Father? What the whole world must face as a literal fact at the end of an age, you, as individuals, must each most certainly face as a personal experience when you reach the end of your natural life and thereby pass on to be confronted with the conditions and demands inherent in the next revelation of the eternal progression of the Father's kingdom."