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i never said that cause and effect are the same thing...charge and motion can be either a cause or an effect depending on if you are viewing the past or the future at any one point in time


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Makalu wrote:
i never said that cause and effect are the same thing...charge and motion can be either a cause or an effect depending on if you are viewing the past or the future at any one point in time



Sorry, I misunderstood you. From your statement above it would seem that you agree with The CPT theorem (Charge, Parity and Time Reversal) that is a fundamental symmetry of physical laws. In QED, time is asymmetric in order to preserve CPT symmetry. I believe that you have implied a model of linear time in what you wrote, as is the current thinking in the SM. It seems to me that you defend the SM thinking on this.

But this is in direct contradiction to TUB, which states that time is circular simultaneity and time is a succession of instants. It stands to reason that time, according to TUB, is symmetric and time must be quantized. And if time is symmetric, then the CPT theorem must be completely false.

Please correct me if I misunderstood your words once again.


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no i'm not defending what you've proposed...just didnt feel it was necessary to mention the exceptions in quantum mechanics


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The non-trivial exceptions to CPT consistency arise because EM and other manifestations and behaviors of matter are not merely described in the simple case by U(1) topology (as mathematically described by Heaviside's rendition of the Maxwell Equations), but by SU(2) topology in more complex cases. Maxwell began to understand this and incorporated such a description into his work (via his quaternion versions of his own equations - not those that were simplified and modified later). Quantum mechanics requires (in general) SU(2) descriptions.

SU(2) topology accounts for the fact that rotations have direction and that introduces particular configurational dependencies between particles or particle and field. Backwards running time is not required, but the concept might possibly be useful as an intellectual short cut or simplification.

P.S. Notice that the CPT theorem only applies where Special Relativity is invoked, i.e. where the mathematics and conceptual framework is Lorentz invariant.
Full and proper use of SU(2) mathematics, and especially the deeper SU(3) topology which is required to model fundamental particles, cannot be placed within a framework that is actually Lorentz invariant. But we can easily demonstrate how Lorentz invariance (and Special Relativity as an interpretation thereof) arises as a faulty paradigm (which does have limited applicability) that follows from simple application of the Lorentz force law for a charged particle moving in an EM field.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPT_symmetry
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The CPT theorem says that CPT symmetry holds for all physical phenomena, or more precisely, that any Lorentz invariant local quantum field theory with a Hermitian Hamiltonian must have CPT symmetry.

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A consequence of this derivation is that a violation of CPT automatically indicates a Lorentz violation.

In 2002 Oscar Greenberg proved that CPT violation implies the breaking of Lorentz symmetry.[6] This implies that any study of CPT violation includes also Lorentz violation.


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Riktare wrote:
The non-trivial exceptions to CPT consistency arise because EM and other manifestations and behaviors of matter are not merely described in the simple case by U(1) topology (as mathematically described by Heaviside's rendition of the Maxwell Equations), but by SU(2) topology in more complex cases. Maxwell began to understand this and incorporated such a description into his work (via his quaternion versions of his own equations - not those that were simplified and modified later). Quantum mechanics requires (in general) SU(2) descriptions.


Thanks for chiming in Steve. I see the confusion in the math of QM. If one is to consider the exponential of a Pauli vector the result is an expression analogous to Euler's formula. Recall that many times before I had mentioned that y=e^x is has no derivative but itself, therefore, calculation ceases once one realizes that the determinant of the exponential itself is 1, which makes it the generic group element of SU(2).


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SU(2) topology accounts for the fact that rotations have direction and that introduces particular configurational dependencies between particles or particle and field. Backwards running time is not required, but the concept might possibly be useful as an intellectual short cut or simplification.


Rotations have direction but a particle does not simply rotate. A particle has primary and secondary motion just as space moves. A particle breathes as it rotates. This fact changes everything! This is a revelation from TUB. This composite motion can be described as spiral motion. SU(2) topology cannot account for this. This motion has no direction at all. The reason for this is that spiral motion is motion in infinite directions, simultaneously.

Let's take the example of a perfectly spherical particle that rotates and breathes (expands and contracts). No matter what is its spin, the particle counter-rotates by virtue of an equator. Above the equator, clockwise, below, counter-clockwise. And this is visa versa as well. This is balanced motion. As the particle expands, it moves out from its center in the direction of infinite radii. As it contracts, it moves towards it center from infinite directions (a sphere has infinite radii). All vectors originate from a center and return to the center, origin and destiny.

I see this as insurmountably complex.

As you say, backward running time is not required but must be a possibility for CPT symmetry. This brings up the question of linear time vs circular time. Minkowski always depicted time as linear and orthogonal to space and placed time in the imaginary plane, i. He , therefore, had to depict space as a plane in his light cone diagram. Obviously, if time were to be treated as a line, it could only be perpendicular to a plane. He must have thought that we were all gullible since a space has to be at least three dimensional. And he was correct. All of physics swallowed this whole. Now we are choking on it. In addition, a moving space must be 4 dimensional.

TUB reveals time to be circular. TUB reveals space to be in motion, primary and secondary (spiral). Only a hyperbolic space can move thusly.

Fortunately, this fact is consistent with the geometric fact that only circles can be perpendicular to hyperbolas. This is a perfect fit that is only revealed in TUB.

BTW, a line is not symmetric yet a circle is perfectly symmetrical. A line is infinite and cannot be bisected. A circle is infinite but can be bisected.

Time is discrete and perfectly symmetric and , therefore, the CPT theorem cannot be descriptive of any physical reality.


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Riktare wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPT_symmetry
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The CPT theorem says that CPT symmetry holds for all physical phenomena, or more precisely, that any Lorentz invariant local quantum field theory with a Hermitian Hamiltonian must have CPT symmetry.

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A consequence of this derivation is that a violation of CPT automatically indicates a Lorentz violation.

In 2002 Oscar Greenberg proved that CPT violation implies the breaking of Lorentz symmetry.[6] This implies that any study of CPT violation includes also Lorentz violation.



Hi Steve. Please reread your Wiki reference again for it still refers to space as 3 dimensional and time as one dimensional. TUB clearly tell us of space motion. Current science agrees that space itself is expanding. Three dimensional space cannot move. A cube is absolute space. Only 4 dimensional space can move (hypercube) conditioned by circular 3 dimensional time. Recall that space and time are inseparable. They move together in an orthogonal relationship. Also recall that, geometrically, only circles can be orthogonal to hyperbolas. Picture a sphere inside a cube that expands and contracts simultaneously as they rotate. They relate orthogonally to each other at every instant of motion. They are perfectly symmetrical. There is no violation of this relationship.

This is toroidal symmetry. How does a torus relate to an ellipse? Between an ellipse and a hyperbola there is a parabola. Why is Havona not a time creation? Can circular time be orthogonal to parabolic space? Are the perfect Havona worlds arranged in parallel circuits? Is this arrangement only possible in parabolic space? Why don't the Havona worlds rotate? How can they follow each other in a processional and not coalesce?

Why can't current science see that there must be a spaceless, timeless void at the nucleus of every particle?


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