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1:4.3 When you are through down here, when your course has been run in temporary form on earth, when your trial trip in the flesh is finished, when the dust that composes the mortal tabernacle “returns to the earth whence it came”; then, it is revealed, the indwelling “Spirit shall return to God who gave it.” There sojourns within each moral being of this planet a fragment of God, a part and parcel of divinity. It is not yet yours by right of possession, but it is designedly intended to be one with you if you survive the mortal existence.

1:6.5 Some degree of moral affinity and spiritual harmony is essential to friendship between two persons; a loving personality can hardly reveal himself to a loveless person. Even to approach the knowing of a divine personality, all of man’s personality endowments must be wholly consecrated to the effort; half-hearted, partial devotion will be unavailing.

2:6.1 In the physical universe we may see the divine beauty, in the intellectual world we may discern eternal truth, but the goodness of God is found only in the spiritual world of personal religious experience. In its true essence, religion is a faith-trust in the goodness of God. God could be great and absolute, somehow even intelligent and personal, in philosophy, but in religion God must also be moral; he must be good. Man might fear a great God, but he trusts and loves only a good God. This goodness of God is a part of the personality of God, and its full revelation appears only in the personal religious experience of the believing sons of God.


How many times when we were growing up, have we heard somebody say, “Don’t take it personally.”


Usually it was a response intended to assuage hurt feelings. It was a response to something somebody said that was taken as a personal criticism. One of the noticeable conditions of our society, at least here in my part of the United States, and I have lived all over the western parts from southern, central and northern California to Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Montana as well as where I now live in North Dakota, is an overwhelming tendency to hide ourselves from others, personally.


Let me elaborate. People in my life have consistently asked me to keep my personal life, my personal activity to myself, as I am again suggested to do here. They have told me that my desire to dig deeply into their personal business is offensive. I agree, it is. So, I ask God what he would have me do instead. Follow Jesus’ example is the answer. So, I look to Jesus and I find that he got personal with everybody. In fact, the number of times he only offered his opinion about the facts of his Kingdom and his understanding of it are nearly non-existent. Jesus teaches that the key to truly spreading the Gospel is to share our personal spiritual growth (fruit of the spirit) with everyone. Then I read in the Urantia Book that we are to become the presence of Jesus to our age and I wonder how we can do that if we are only sharing our purely factual knowledge in our intent to spread the teachings of the book and not be personal about it.


Yet we find the Urantia Book Forum adamant that this is supposed to be a study of Urantia Book facts. Repeatedly I am chastised for misrepresenting the facts. Knowing the facts is great. I know the facts as well. I have studied the book for 50 years, read it through multiple times, discussed the more difficult passages exhaustively and in depth with some of the most brilliant minds on the planet and yet the one thing that rises to the top of the heap of study is the spirit within me revealing to me the reality of me. All the learning, all the study, all the correlation of facts, all the meanings I have derived, all the understandings I have achieved are but drops in a bucket compared to a single contact with the divine Thought Adjuster within me. So, you see, that is what I strive for. The real import of the teachings is revealed by how deeply we each let the facts we are conscious of interact with the spirit within us. How willingly do we allow God to enlighten our insight and re-envision our outlook as we become the living truth of the facts. Each of us is personally responsible for this. I have never said anything that would counter this. Jesus never said anything that would counter this. Life is personal with God or it does not continue. Each of us is personally responsible for our participation in this process of “taking it personally.”


Each of us has a choice. We can each choose to believe, personally. Believing is the reality of how simple it is to follow God. Believing is all it takes. Believing is an act of applying our faith to the facts, ideas and the relationship discovered when we personally experience the reality established between the facts and our personal ideas. But even that is not the end of the story. The end of the story is that there is no end to the story. That is, if this process of identifying facts, discovering the meanings (all of them, the ones we like and the ones we don’t) and assigning our best comprehensive analysis of the value we are able to appreciate when we relate the facts we know to the idea we self-consciously entertain and then personally relate these both to our concept of our personality. This enables us to realize what God sees in us as we do it. Until we learn this process of self-awareness development, we remain static in our faith. Growth in faith is first an expansion of our will and then a systematic progression of our awareness of our person as we learn to realize God. This process is how we become real with God and how we discover His reality in us.


This is the process of growing spiritually. At least, this is the process God is leading me to follow. Please anybody feel free to share how God is leading you to grow spiritually. I am most interested in relating to others who seek to do God’s will and know they are. But keep it personal, because if it isn’t personal it isn’t real. We fool ourselves as believers when we avoid being personal. Being truly personal is the hard part. Believing the facts is easy, adopting our ideas, meanings, and values is more challenging, but the heavy lifting is when we are asked to stand up in front of the class and tell our personal story to God our Father.


We all die. I personally believe most of us will have the opportunity to awaken on Mansonia Number 1 even if we have never heard of the Urantia Book. But, as Jesus said when talking with his followers regarding the parable of the talents, “In the next world you will be asked to give an account of the endowments and stewardships of this world. Whether inherent talents are few or many, a just and merciful reckoning must be faced. If endowments are used only in selfish pursuits and no thought is bestowed upon the higher duty of obtaining increased yield of the fruits of the spirit, as they are manifested in the ever-expanding service of men and the worship of God, such selfish stewards must accept the consequences of their deliberate choosing.” 176:3.8


Spiritual fruit is not merely what we do, it is who we are. It is easy to do more (relatively), at least until we are doing all we can (as Olympic athletes will attest), the hard part is to be more. That is simply because ‘being more’ only happens as a result of true spiritual growth. It is interesting to consider that being all we can be is today’s work (“sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof”), but tomorrow is a whole new evil. The evil Jesus is referring to in me is the part of my person I have not yet yielded to God, the part that will enable true spiritual growth. The “higher duty of obtaining increased yield” is personal. It is not merely a product of our life’s effort to share our beliefs with others, it is the product of our sincere and personal effort to share our life with God, to do his will. This is the true meaning of having faith to yourself. It clearly does not mean that we are to keep our thoughts to ourselves as I am repeatedly offered that chance to do. It means ‘don’t talk the talk if you aren’t going to walk the walk.’ In the case of the Urantia Book, it means knowing what the book says is only step one, doing what the book teaches is step two and sharing the fruit of the personal spiritual growth experience is step three. That is what I am attempting to do.


99:5.7 Just as certainly as men share their religious beliefs, they create a religious group of some sort which eventually creates common goals. Someday religionists will get together and actually effect co-operation on the basis of unity of ideals and purposes rather than attempting to do so on the basis of psychological opinions and theological beliefs. Goals rather than creeds should unify religionists. Since true religion is a matter of personal spiritual experience, it is inevitable that each individual religionist must have his own and personal interpretation of the realization of that spiritual experience. Let the term “faith” stand for the individual’s relation to God rather than for the creedal formulation of what some group of mortals have been able to agree upon as a common religious attitude. “Have you faith? Then have it to yourself.”

It is an error of concept to underestimate the challenge to others by avoidance within ourselves. When we share the Urantia Book as teaching that we have a group pass to go to heaven but fail to tell people that while we may choose to live forever, there is one condition. To do that we must become righteous and righteousness requires us to decide to do God’s will, instead of ours. Failing to tell the whole story creates fewer true followers as they discover the reality of the 'second mile' of spiritual growth. That is why the crowd joined in yelling, “Crucify Him!” They wanted to give up because he was showing them just how much is enough. He was showing them we must give all of us to the task. Doing the will of God must become our full time job, even more, our obsession. Spiritual growth is deliberately intentional. We do not eventuate our way to righteousness. We deliberate our way. Each step is personal and intentional and deliberate.


196:3.3 “The progressive comprehension of reality is the equivalent of approaching God. The finding of God, the consciousness of identity with reality, is the equivalent of the experiencing of self-completion — self-entirety, self-totality. The experiencing of total reality is the full realization of God, the finality of the God-knowing experience.”

What a statement! “Experiencing self-completion – self-entirety, self-totality. This does not happen by accident. We can experience “total reality” but we do it deliberately. The time it takes us to do this is irrelevant but the effort is not.


Personally, I think we may be in agreement, more or less, on our perception of the opportunity, but I believe there may be significantly fewer folks who ultimately choose to pursue the path to Paradise than others here in the room do. I believe that choosing to forsake the eternal adventure is a function of finding out the reality of the fact that we do not get to do this our way. Jesus’ comment about the severe test is relevant. 140:1.4 “But for you, my children, and for all others who would follow you into this kingdom, there is set a severe test. Faith alone will pass you through its portals, but you must bring forth the fruits of my Father’s spirit if you would continue to ascend in the progressive life of the divine fellowship. Verily, verily, I say to you, not every one who says, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but rather he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”


Doing the will of God tests the length, breadth, depth, and stamina of our willpower. This book is 2096 pages of showing us that. On that day when we are called “to give an account of the endowments and stewardships of this world”, as Jesus said, the correct answer from us isn’t, “I know the Urantia Book” or, “I believe the Bible” or, “I know the Koran” or, “I am a Catholic” or even, “I believe ‘anything’. The answer isn’t even to tell of all the wonderful things we did to help the poor and infirmed, or the things we did to spread the beliefs we had or to fix the ailments of the world, though all those are good things. The answer we must have in the deepest part of our soul is “Hello Father, here am I, your son.”


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I appreciate the invitation to consider such interesting issues and beliefs and opinions regarding so many topics which so clearly are presented in the Papers and which offers all of us here further angles to discover, study, learn from thereby. Your opinions here offer opportunity I think for comparison and contrast, in some ways, to my own understanding of the teachings and that of others too, but most importantly to the UB itself.

I think your attempted "clarification" surely reconfirms your longstanding beliefs and opinions shared here over the years. And this post also offers much opportunity to consider and explore those in greater detail and illumination.

Your claim to know the facts of the contents of the UB and to also know the meanings is very curious and so ironic and illuminating. However, that claim certainly does not appear to be accurate considering your comments posted below where still, and now once again you have directly misrepresented the facts and the truths of the UB...obviously so. The brilliance of minds you may have been in the presence of is evidently of little help to your own grasp of plainly written facts.

You say: "Yet we find the Urantia Book Forum adamant that this is supposed to be a study of Urantia Book facts. Repeatedly I am chastised for misrepresenting the facts. Knowing the facts is great. I know the facts as well. I have studied the book for 50 years, read it through multiple times, discussed the more difficult passages exhaustively and in depth with some of the most brilliant minds on the planet and yet the one thing that rises to the top of the heap of study is the spirit within me revealing to me the reality of me.

All the learning, all the study, all the correlation of facts, all the meanings I have derived, all the understandings I have achieved are but drops in a bucket compared to a single contact with the divine Thought Adjuster within me."


Me here: Who is the "we"" in the "...we find the UB Forum adamant..."? Who are you speaking about and for? I wonder if you recognize this personal tendancy of yours to presume to speak for others? You have recently and falsely claimed to know and articulate what the UB organizations (yes, all of them and all the leadership for 60+ years) have believed, that whole tirade being a ludicrous display of ego. Now, you appear to not know of or to criticize the TrutBook Forum Guidelines regarding the purpose and study group format here for the past 2 decades.

The UB is so clear and redundant with many direct warnings to us tadpoles to have no great confidence in our ability to clearly hear or understand "contact with the Divine Thought Adjusters". Your own confidence here about your own contact with your TA lacks humility and credibility in my opinion...but does demonstrate the real risk of spiritual pride we are so warned about.

Let me offer that IMO and as shared among many other and also very brilliant students (hahaha) who find the meaning clear - the saying about "sufficient" for the day is the trouble thereof, which you, again misquoted and misrepresented was factually misstated and is clearly misunderstood, or intentionally misrepresented (?) by you. As is easily discerned in the actual quote below, Jesus is teaching us to simply trust God for our daily bread and to not be ANXIOUS about anything at all.

Did your friends with "brilliant minds" (holy moly) also somehow misread and misconstrue this most direct, simple, and important quote, its context, and obvious meaning? Wow.

I don't know why you would misquote or so clearly contradict the true and obvious meaning (and actual quote itself). You say: "It is interesting to consider that being all we can be is today’s work (“sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof”), but tomorrow is a whole new evil. The evil Jesus is referring to in me is the part of my person I have not yet yielded to God, the part that will enable true spiritual growth. "

Me here: Jesus is referring to no such thing Jim. Poppycock. I cannot find the phrase "the evil thereof" anywhere in the UB. And neither today or tomorrow is evil Jim. What an odd thing to say. Text please. Each day is an adventure and nothing to be anxious about...for any reason.

Anxiety and worry is a spirit poison and must be abandoned according to the Papers. Your personal anxieties are clearly displayed here yet again. Remember the lilies? And sparrows?

Back soon to consider God's will and how that is demonstrated by our motive, intent, priorities, sincerity as expressed by our choices...not our wisdom. God knows our hearts and hopes and ideals...those are sufficiently expressive of God's will in the lives of his children...or so I understand the teachings of the Revelation.

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100:2.7 (1096.4) Jesus portrayed the profound surety of the God-knowing mortal when he said: “To a God-knowing kingdom believer, what does it matter if all things earthly crash?” Temporal securities are vulnerable, but spiritual sureties are impregnable. When the flood tides of human adversity, selfishness, cruelty, hate, malice, and jealousy beat about the mortal soul, you may rest in the assurance that there is one inner bastion, the citadel of the spirit, which is absolutely unassailable; at least this is true of every human being who has dedicated the keeping of his soul to the indwelling spirit of the eternal God.

100:2.8 (1096.5) After such spiritual attainment, whether secured by gradual growth or specific crisis, there occurs a new orientation of personality as well as the development of a new standard of values. Such spirit-born individuals are so remotivated in life that they can calmly stand by while their fondest ambitions perish and their keenest hopes crash; they positively know that such catastrophes are but the redirecting cataclysms which wreck one’s temporal creations preliminary to the rearing of the more noble and enduring realities of a new and more sublime level of universe attainment.

140:6.13 (1577.7) And then Thomas asked Jesus if they should “continue having everything in common.” Said the Master: “Yes, my brethren, I would that we should live together as one understanding family. You are intrusted with a great work, and I crave your undivided service. You know that it has been well said: ‘No man can serve two masters.’ You cannot sincerely worship God and at the same time wholeheartedly serve mammon. Having now enlisted unreservedly in the work of the kingdom, be not anxious for your lives; much less be concerned with what you shall eat or what you shall drink; nor yet for your bodies, what clothing you shall wear. Already have you learned that willing hands and earnest hearts shall not go hungry. And now, when you prepare to devote all of your energies to the work of the kingdom, be assured that the Father will not be unmindful of your needs. Seek first the kingdom of God, and when you have found entrance thereto, all things needful shall be added to you. Be not, therefore, unduly anxious for the morrow. Sufficient for the day is the trouble thereof.”

165:5.1 (1823.1) That evening after supper, when Jesus and the twelve gathered together for their daily conference, Andrew asked: “Master, while we were baptizing the believers, you spoke many words to the lingering multitude which we did not hear. Would you be willing to repeat these words for our benefit?” And in response to Andrew’s request, Jesus said:

165:5.2 (1823.2) “Yes, Andrew, I will speak to you about these matters of wealth and self-support, but my words to you, the apostles, must be somewhat different from those spoken to the disciples and the multitude since you have forsaken everything, not only to follow me, but to be ordained as ambassadors of the kingdom. Already have you had several years’ experience, and you know that the Father whose kingdom you proclaim will not forsake you. You have dedicated your lives to the ministry of the kingdom; therefore be not anxious or worried about the things of the temporal life, what you shall eat, nor yet for your body, what you shall wear. The welfare of the soul is more than food and drink; the progress in the spirit is far above the need of raiment. When you are tempted to doubt the sureness of your bread, consider the ravens; they sow not neither reap, they have no storehouses or barns, and yet the Father provides food for every one of them that seeks it. And of how much more value are you than many birds! Besides, all of your anxiety or fretting doubts can do nothing to supply your material needs. Which of you by anxiety can add a handbreadth to your stature or a day to your life? Since such matters are not in your hands, why do you give anxious thought to any of these problems?

165:5.3 (1823.3) “Consider the lilies, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin; yet I say to you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. If God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is cut down and cast into the fire, how much more shall he clothe you, the ambassadors of the heavenly kingdom. O you of little faith! When you wholeheartedly devote yourselves to the proclamation of the gospel of the kingdom, you should not be of doubtful minds concerning the support of yourselves or the families you have forsaken. If you give your lives truly to the gospel, you shall live by the gospel. If you are only believing disciples, you must earn your own bread and contribute to the sustenance of all who teach and preach and heal. If you are anxious about your bread and water, wherein are you different from the nations of the world who so diligently seek such necessities? Devote yourselves to your work, believing that both the Father and I know that you have need of all these things. Let me assure you, once and for all, that, if you dedicate your lives to the work of the kingdom, all your real needs shall be supplied. Seek the greater thing, and the lesser will be found therein; ask for the heavenly, and the earthly shall be included. The shadow is certain to follow the substance.

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Thanks again Jim for the further illumination of your opinions, beliefs, and understanding of the purpose of this gathering, the facts of the UB contents, and the meanings of the UB.

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I cannot find the phrase "the evil thereof"

Since things have gotten personal around here (in a good natured way of course) I'm wondering my brother, have you ever considered that while "you strain out the gnat and swallow the camel" without intention, you may also have become at odds with "the ability to listen with the ear of the spirit"?

Otherwise, I see no reason for your persistent intolerant attitude towards what others have to say.


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I cannot find the phrase "the evil thereof"

Since things have gotten personal around here (in a good natured way of course) I'm wondering my brother, have you ever considered that while "you strain out the gnat and swallow the camel" without intention, you may also have become at odds with "the ability to listen with the ear of the spirit"?

Otherwise, I see no reason for your persistent intolerant attitude towards what others have to say.


Jim declares he believes the UB is what it's authors claim it to be, one of only 5 Epochal Revelations to our world. He declares he believes what it says and teaches, both the fact and truth, the letter and the meaing thereof. Then declares himself called by God to spread the message of but not the actual text itself to others to apply spiritual pressure from above onto others to save their souls by his superior knowledge of the facts of the text and understanding of the meanings found in that text. But no one actually needs the text?

I object...and disagree with all such claims and believe them dangerous and deceitful. Jim told us recently he has not historically been forthright and forthcoming here at TruthBook but was going to be more clear and direct going forward. I, for one, believe such a fact and intention. Now we have this invitation to consider such "clarification".

I truly appreciate such clarity and find it more of a verification and reiteration than any actual clarification...but for those here who swallow camels whole, perhaps this helps clarify them a little. I hope so. For Jim has been serving up lots of camels here for a long time.

I am intolerant only of someone here first claiming a great knowledge of the facts and meaning of a text which is then immediately and obviously misstated and misrepresented. The teachings of the Master, and his words, are both important here don't you think... where we study that text which contains them. So, you think it okay then and support those who misquote and undermine and contradict the Papers while bragging about one's knowledge of them?

And it's okay then, while boasting of my understanding of the meanings for me to then distort and contradict them? Or is that just alright for some...but not others? So confusing.

Okay then... :roll: Down the rabbit hole we go, where in is out and up is down and nothing is what it so obviously is.

Someone is indeed swallowing some camels around here and Jim's distortians are more like 747's than gnats...or camels. And you claim me unrighteous and intolerant to point out such grandstanding hubris and falsehoods? Hmmm.....

Jim has certainly provided us a definitive Clarification of (his) Viewpoint don't you think?

Is it okay (and righteous), in your opinion Enno, then to here, or anywhere, directly misrepresent the Revelation to others we seek to study here? Good to know. Not surprising. For that must also be Jim's "viewpoint" we must surmise.

Who are "others" I wonder? You think me without intention here? Do you think Jim is also without intention (?) or are his intentions deliberate expressions meant to clarify his viewpoint? So, to be clear, Jim's falsifications of the UB is righteous and intentional while my objection to those falsifications is unintentional but also unspiritual?

This just gets better and better. The arrogance of specious sophistry on display. Sigh....

Bradly. 8)

"specious"

superficially plausible, but actually wrong.

"a specious argument"

misleading in appearance, especially misleadingly attractive.

"the music trade gives Golden Oldies a specious appearance of novelty"

synonyms:

plausible but wrong · seemingly correct · misleading · deceptive · false · fallacious · unsound · casuistic · sophistic


"sophistry" · sophistries (plural noun)

the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

synonyms:

trickery · deviousness · deceit · deception · dishonesty · cheating · duplicity · guile · cunning · artfulness · wiliness · craft · craftiness · evasion · slyness · chicanery · intrigue · subterfuge · strategy · bluff · pretense · fraud · fraudulence · sharp practice · monkey business · funny business · hanky-panky · jiggery-pokery · every trick in the book

a fallacious argument.

synonyms:

specious reasoning · the use of fallacious arguments · sophism · casuistry · quibbling · equivocation · fallaciousness · fallacious argument · fallacy · quibble · paralogism

Me here:....indeed.

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Jim says above: "Doing the will of God tests the length, breadth, depth, and stamina of our willpower. This book is 2096 pages of showing us that."

Do you think so? I have found, personally, that knowing the will of God at every intersection of situation, circumstance, and choice gets easier and easier for the knowing and doing of God's will. I believe, and think the UB teaches us, that doing God's will becomes habitual and even reflexive over time by even the tadpoles of time.

I think it a great misunderstanding of the UB to even attempt to know what God might do at my points of decision. I think the UB teaches that is an impossible irrelevancy and dangerous illustration of ego in fact. And even a little ridiculous to claim either important to do or attempt to do and an obvious source of anxiety.

The children of time gain experiential wisdom over time by learning from our mistakes AND by our best efforts and achievements of understanding. Only God has absolute and existential wisdom and God then creates situations and circumstances to teach us HOW and WHY TO CHOOSE WHAT WE CHOOSE....NOT what to choose but how to choose.

The "what" specifically and quite intentionally God leaves to his children to personally experience AND express that experience of BEING and BECOMING. We first learn not the wisdom but the motive of and for our freewill choosing or so I understand the teachings of the Revelation and the Adjuster pilot within, both. We are taught we will purify our hearts and motives long before we perfect our knowledge, understanding, and wisdom.

My personal religious experience has resulted in knowing what best to do is determined very directly and simply by my motives and philosophy for living combined with my accumulated experiential wisdom and best judgement at that particular intersection of choice. Not so difficult really. Sorry you find it so hard and vexing. It really shouldn't be.... according to the Papers anyway.

I really appreciate the invitation and opportunity to express my personal perspective and experience regarding the practical applications of the teachings in the UB I have discovered and applied these past 50 years of my own attachment of branch to vine, experiencing the fruits of the Spirit, and small still voice of the pilot whispering..."this way, this way home".

Life is not a test. It's a grand adventure of discovery and growth for the tadpiles of time. It's best to approach life with the child's trust in our family and paternal affection and tge dependable connection to the Spirit within.

Such a perspective turns anxiety and uncertainty into delicious and joyful anticipation. God wants our effervescents and exuberance and our delight in the experience of living. This is our gift to God...the joy of living life and the lightness of being.

At least that's what I understand the teachings of the UB to telk us. So assuringly and clearly and redundantly, from cover to cover. It makes me hope everyone finds such joy in their journey and the Revelation is scattered to the ends of our world.

I'm sorry your life in the Spirit is so obviously hard for you. I really don't understand it. If the meanings of the UB are understood, they become a map, compass, and light for us which our pilot within can more readily and more easily chart our voyage home to Paradise. Life simplifies and gets more wondrous and vibrant when are connected to God within.

But, we are told...be careful about those voices in our head. There is danger and great risk in believing our own voice is akso God's voice. Believe me...or believe the UB... God does not tell us what to do. God shows us the way and how to BE, no matter what we do.

My grannie taught me...When in doubt, just pray...and when praying, do not doubt. All will be well in God's good time according to his will and time. Trust the Lord sonny boy, he knows what he's doing!! Ahhh...I miss that old sweet woman.

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100:1.7 (1095.2) Religion cannot be bestowed, received, loaned, learned, or lost. It is a personal experience which grows proportionally to the growing quest for final values. Cosmic growth thus attends on the accumulation of meanings and the ever-expanding elevation of values. But nobility itself is always an unconscious growth.

100:1.8 (1095.3) Religious habits of thinking and acting are contributory to the economy of spiritual growth. One can develop religious predispositions toward favorable reaction to spiritual stimuli, a sort of conditioned spiritual reflex. Habits which favor religious growth embrace cultivated sensitivity to divine values, recognition of religious living in others, reflective meditation on cosmic meanings, worshipful problem solving, sharing one’s spiritual life with one’s fellows, avoidance of selfishness, refusal to presume on divine mercy, living as in the presence of God. The factors of religious growth may be intentional, but the growth itself is unvaryingly unconscious.

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18:1.6   ...To beings of even high universe attainment these secret worlds ever remain a test of loyalty.

25:6.3   ...The recorders are a tested and tried corps.

50:4.9   ...A Planetary Prince is not visible to mortal beings; it is a test of faith to believe the representations of the semimaterial beings of his staff.

66:8.1   ... under superior authority, nonetheless, whenever a test had come...

138:9.2   ...Not only were these months of quiet work a great test to the apostles, a test which they survived...



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Life is not a test.


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18:1.6   ...To beings of even high universe attainment these secret worlds ever remain a test of loyalty.

25:6.3   ...The recorders are a tested and tried corps.

50:4.9   ...A Planetary Prince is not visible to mortal beings; it is a test of faith to believe the representations of the semimaterial beings of his staff.

66:8.1   ... under superior authority, nonetheless, whenever a test had come...

138:9.2   ...Not only were these months of quiet work a great test to the apostles, a test which they survived...



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Life is not a test.


Great quotes Enno. The topic here of course is the mortals life on their worlds of origin!

39:4.13 (435.6) To the inhabited worlds the quickeners of morality portray mortal life as an unbroken chain of many links. Your short sojourn on Urantia, on this sphere of mortal infancy, is only a single link, the very first in the long chain that is to stretch across universes and through the eternal ages. It is not so much what you learn in this first life; it is the experience of living this life that is important. Even the work of this world, paramount though it is, is not nearly so important as the way in which you do this work. There is no material reward for righteous living, but there is profound satisfaction—consciousness of achievement—and this transcends any conceivable material reward.

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Jim falsely declares above: "Yet we find the Urantia Book Forum adamant that this is supposed to be a study of Urantia Book facts."

Actually we gather here to study the contents of the text, such contents are correctly described as "facts", although the authors do also specify that some of what they present (always specified as such and very limited in the Papers) are their personal observations, perspective, and speculation. I would estimate the text to be 99%+ fact and 1% or less opinion and speculation.

In any case the UB says what it says and doesn't say what it doesn't....so it is imperative to study and know the fact of its contents and accuracy of representation if those contents is critical to the study OF the UB. So I find your misstatements and misrepresentations of the text shocking and disturbing, and certainly not forthright or forth coming but, rather deceitful and unfortunately habitual. In my opinion, such a display here is very disturbing.

But we are not gathered here only to discover the fact of contents but also to determine the meanings of those facts presented and to share our insights and understanding of the celestial reality perspective presented in the UB. Knowledge of facts without understanding of meanings is of no value to anyone. Fact, meaning, value. We seek value here by the discovery of meanings by the study of facts.

The value I have personally experienced here (thanks for asking for that expression) is the changes in my perspective of universe realities and my philosophy of living. That has been my own experience here at TruthBook.

Or this has been my experience over 45 years of attending many study groups, conferences, and forums. Especially so here the past decade of my atrendance. I find your critique quite false and your criticism of TruthBook insulting and self serving. Most unfortunate and only further reduces your own credibility here. Why are you here if you remain so disappointed?

The study of facts, meanings, and values here would be most interesting.

As to the Forum here:

"This discussion board, as an extension of the Truthbook.com website, has one primary goal:
To be a safe place where newcomers to The Urantia Book can ask questions and explore the teachings of The Urantia Book in a communal setting.

In a sense, this forum is a Virtual Urantia Book Study Group. Specifically, it is a place for new readers to meet long-time readers. We welcome long-time readers as a valuable resource for assisting newcomers to better understand the teachings of The Urantia Book; this discussion board is provided for the benefit of long-time readers too, keeping our primary goal in mind."


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Jim says above: " Then I read in the Urantia Book that we are to become the presence of Jesus to our age and I wonder how we can do that if we are only sharing our purely factual knowledge in our intent to spread the teachings of the book and not be personal.."

Where did you read that? Text please. Who is "we" again? Please be specific and post the text. I have no more interest in your persistent (mis)representations of the text wuthout actual text posted or cited.

Who here over the years has limited ANY posts to "purely factual knowledge"?? My 10 years of attendance here has enjoyed and benefitted so much from all the vrry personal testimonies of meaning and value experienced by such a diverse and global student body.

Again I find your disappointment here and the claims above without merit...or value.

Still do I appreciate your expression of your opinions abd personal experience posted here.

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Jim says above: "Spiritual fruit is not merely what we do, it is who we are. It is easy to do more (relatively), at least until we are doing all we can (as Olympic athletes will attest), the hard part is to be more. That is simply because ‘being more’ only happens as a result of true spiritual growth."

I think this is a very important truth with great insight and wisdom. I would add my personal experience would suggest that spiritual fruit is a reflection that is more about our purification of our heart and spiritualization of our motives and intentions and priorities and perhaps less about "what" we do.

However, I certainly agree that how effective we are in our service to others (the effects of of spiritual growth) is reflective of growing maturity and wisdom. Fruits of the Spitit demonstrate and reflect, very precisely, our spiritization and growth and maturity and wisdom and character..."who we are"...as Jim says.

5:2.4 (64.7) It is because of this God fragment that indwells you that you can hope, as you progress in harmonizing with the Adjuster’s spiritual leadings, more fully to discern the presence and transforming power of those other spiritual influences that surround you and impinge upon you but do not function as an integral part of you. The fact that you are not intellectually conscious of close and intimate contact with the indwelling Adjuster does not in the least disprove such an exalted experience. The proof of fraternity with the divine Adjuster consists wholly in the nature and extent of the fruits of the spirit which are yielded in the life experience of the individual believer. “By their fruits you shall know them.”

5:2.5 (65.1) It is exceedingly difficult for the meagerly spiritualized, material mind of mortal man to experience marked consciousness of the spirit activities of such divine entities as the Paradise Adjusters. As the soul of joint mind and Adjuster creation becomes increasingly existent, there also evolves a new phase of soul consciousness which is capable of experiencing the presence, and of recognizing the spirit leadings and other supermaterial activities, of the Mystery Monitors.

5:2.6 (65.2) The entire experience of Adjuster communion is one involving moral status, mental motivation, and spiritual experience. The self-realization of such an achievement is mainly, though not exclusively, limited to the realms of soul consciousness, but the proofs are forthcoming and abundant in the manifestation of the fruits of the spirit in the lives of all such inner-spirit contactors.

34:6.13 (381.7) The consciousness of the spirit domination of a human life is presently attended by an increasing exhibition of the characteristics of the Spirit in the life reactions of such a spirit-led mortal, “for the fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance.” Such spirit-guided and divinely illuminated mortals, while they yet tread the lowly paths of toil and in human faithfulness perform the duties of their earthly assignments, have already begun to discern the lights of eternal life as they glimmer on the faraway shores of another world; already have they begun to comprehend the reality of that inspiring and comforting truth, “The kingdom of God is not meat and drink but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” And throughout every trial and in the presence of every hardship, spirit-born souls are sustained by that hope which transcends all fear because the love of God is shed abroad in all hearts by the presence of the divine Spirit.

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Jim says above: "Each of us has a choice. We can each choose to believe, personally. Believing is the reality of how simple it is to follow God. Believing is all it takes. Believing is an act of applying our faith to the facts, ideas and the relationship discovered when we personally experience the reality established between the facts and our personal ideas."

Unfortunately this too is but an opinion which is not supported by the UB. The fact is, according to the Papers, that beliefs do not define or demonstrate our faith and do not confirm religious growth. Beliefs may be nonexistent or completely wrong and still does the mortal have valid spirit progress and effective religious experience.

This is such a critical and unique teaching of the UB. It would be a real shame here to allow such a direct refutation and contradiction of the text to pass without acknowledging that contradiction. It is the faith connection and assurance response to the Divine connection and ministry in every mortal mind that demonstrates spiritual progress, not beliefs - whether accurate or false..

This connection is inherent and functions effectively without knowledge or beliefs. Faith is an expression of the experience of the Spirit within. Some here have claimed we must believe in or have faith "in" something or someone specifically to have religious experience. This is simply untrue...according to the UB. I look forward to further consideration of such a profoundly important and unique perspective as presented in the Papers.

Once again...do you believe what the UB teaches? For if so, here again you misstate the teachings. Such opinions and beliefs are fine...when presented as such and not assumed or claimed to represent the UB.

8. Faith and Belief

101:8.1 (1114.5) Belief has attained the level of faith when it motivates life and shapes the mode of living. The acceptance of a teaching as true is not faith; that is mere belief. Neither is certainty nor conviction faith. A state of mind attains to faith levels only when it actually dominates the mode of living. Faith is a living attribute of genuine personal religious experience. One believes truth, admires beauty, and reverences goodness, but does not worship them; such an attitude of saving faith is centered on God alone, who is all of these personified and infinitely more.

101:8.2 (1114.6) Belief is always limiting and binding; faith is expanding and releasing. Belief fixates, faith liberates. But living religious faith is more than the association of noble beliefs; it is more than an exalted system of philosophy; it is a living experience concerned with spiritual meanings, divine ideals, and supreme values; it is God-knowing and man-serving. Beliefs may become group possessions, but faith must be personal. Theologic beliefs can be suggested to a group, but faith can rise up only in the heart of the individual religionist.

101:8.3 (1114.7) Faith has falsified its trust when it presumes to deny realities and to confer upon its devotees assumed knowledge. Faith is a traitor when it fosters betrayal of intellectual integrity and belittles loyalty to supreme values and divine ideals. Faith never shuns the problem-solving duty of mortal living. Living faith does not foster bigotry, persecution, or intolerance.

101:8.4 (1115.1) Faith does not shackle the creative imagination, neither does it maintain an unreasoning prejudice toward the discoveries of scientific investigation. Faith vitalizes religion and constrains the religionist heroically to live the golden rule. The zeal of faith is according to knowledge, and its strivings are the preludes to sublime peace.

101:9.5 (1115.6) The enlightened spiritual consciousness of civilized man is not concerned so much with some specific intellectual belief or with any one particular mode of living as with discovering the truth of living, the good and right technique of reacting to the ever-recurring situations of mortal existence. Moral consciousness is just a name applied to the human recognition and awareness of those ethical and emerging morontial values which duty demands that man shall abide by in the day-by-day control and guidance of conduct.

103:1.4 (1130.3) Rationalism is wrong when it assumes that religion is at first a primitive belief in something which is then followed by the pursuit of values. Religion is primarily a pursuit of values, and then there formulates a system of interpretative beliefs. It is much easier for men to agree on religious values—goals—than on beliefs—interpretations. And this explains how religion can agree on values and goals while exhibiting the confusing phenomenon of maintaining a belief in hundreds of conflicting beliefs—creeds. This also explains why a given person can maintain his religious experience in the face of giving up or changing many of his religious beliefs. Religion persists in spite of revolutionary changes in religious beliefs. Theology does not produce religion; it is religion that produces theologic philosophy.

103:1.5 (1130.4) That religionists have believed so much that was false does not invalidate religion because religion is founded on the recognition of values and is validated by the faith of personal religious experience. Religion, then, is based on experience and religious thought; theology, the philosophy of religion, is an honest attempt to interpret that experience. Such interpretative beliefs may be right or wrong, or a mixture of truth and error.

103:1.6 (1130.5) The realization of the recognition of spiritual values is an experience which is superideational. There is no word in any human language which can be employed to designate this “sense,” “feeling,” “intuition,” or “experience” which we have elected to call God-consciousness. The spirit of God that dwells in man is not personal—the Adjuster is prepersonal—but this Monitor presents a value, exudes a flavor of divinity, which is personal in the highest and infinite sense. If God were not at least personal, he could not be conscious, and if not conscious, then would he be infrahuman.

Me here: Certainly it is good for us all that our false beliefs do not and cannot prevent the birth of soul and our growth in the Spirit.

Thanks again Jim for the invitation to consider such interesting opinions and the facts on reality presented in the UB to discover the meanings of that presentation on universe reality.

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Jim says above: "Please anybody feel free to share how God is leading you to grow spiritually. I am most interested in relating to others who seek to do God’s will and know they are. But keep it personal, because if it isn’t personal it isn’t real. We fool ourselves as believers when we avoid being personal. Being truly personal is the hard part. Believing the facts is easy, adopting our ideas, meanings, and values is more challenging, but the heavy lifting is when we are asked to stand up in front of the class and tell our personal story to God our Father."

Such a welcoming invitation. I hope others respond to this opportunity to share their own testimony on how our spiritual growth happens. What is the experience like? What choices have you made and do you now make which enrich the religious life? What is a religious experience and life?

Personally my own answers to such questions are not difficult to talk about (hahaha) but are not so simple to articulate.

The UB has been a real catalyst and fulcrum to my own spiritual progress for 45 years now. It has been a map of the terrain of the pilgrim's path forward to Paradise and a detailed schematic of the combined Spirit ministries to me personally (and the same to us all) which gives me the yearn for truth and happiness and the Divine Assurance response that not only inspires me but adds insights for decision making confirmations at the intersections of decision.

This connectivity to the Divine ministry within also comes with the personality, mind, and spirit gravity circuits. All these persons and forces of Deity have delivered a very certain and growing experience of cognitive awareness and recognition. This has delivered more and more maturity and patience and experience to the philosophic perspective gained by the facts and meanings discovered and utilized by prayer and study.

My time unit perspective gained over time has helped me gather more confidence in the uncertainties and unpredictabilities of life to allow me to better navigate the demands and pressures of life. My growing reality response is primarily due to the reality perspective gained by the integrated universe reality detailed in the UB.

Over time, the more I read and study and re-read the Papers the more clearly is the map of the reality terrain AND the personal connection to Deity schematic are made real, which truly assists me in my perspective of choices and destiny and priorities and also the manifold factors and options at each intersection of opportunity and situation and circumstance and my choices become more deliberate and purposeful.....skill and wisdom are natural results of the religious life and faith experience over time.

My perplexions and confusions have lost their power to dominate mind or cause anxiety. Frustrations and disappointments have, over time, become opportunities to learn from and about disappointment and failure and diminish the emotional weights of regret and resentment and have added to my ability to find humor, patience, strength, and guidance.

My spiritization has taught and is teaching me still to let go of any need to predict, manage, or control outcomes. I've heard tourists focus on destination and itinerary while travelers focus on the journey and the scenery of their current location. I feel increasingly liberated and unburdened from material distractions and more able to focus on helping those I love and those I encounter without conflict to my own needs.

Truly I have found the UB to accurately describe the tadpole's adventure in faith and personal religious experience. We must lose all anxiety and learn to trust the Spirit and the Most Highs and gain a more universal perspective of the celestial kingdom and pay attention to the enhancements and enlargements such perspective delivers.

If we do not yet trust God for our salvation and eternal survival and we don't yet have confidence in the Most Highs to lead our world to Light and Life then we still have much spiritual growth to go to truly experience and expess the Fruits of the Spitit.

Finally, for now, let me acknowledge and verify that the more conscious and deliberate and intentional is my cooperation with the Spirit within, the greater and more certain my progress and confidence. There is great religious progress and faith assurance experience (including birth of soul and soul growth) that is unconscious and less deliberate or intentional based on hope, ideals, aspirations, morality, and God's secret sauce of love, truth, beauty, and goodness that requires no knowledge or accuracy of beliefs....even children and barbarians have effective faith based religious experience despite all kinds of crazy beliefs and superstitions.

But there are great benefits in conscious cooperation with God within and an awareness of reality which facilitate the personal reality response to maximize growth. My own religious experience and progress has proven to me how many others are also very active in their own ways with their own very personalized spiritization experience.

My personal growth has given me the eyes to see and appreciate the noble efforts of so many others with their own hopes and goodness, so many of them in far worse material circumstances and desperate situations without opportunity but far greater suffering...and I am awed and humbled and inspired by how much love, truth, beauty, and goodness so many demonstrate so much more so than myself.

Tadpoles are mighty and awesome and give me incentive to strive even more everyday to reach my own potential. Far from disappointed in my brothers and sisters I am in awestruck admiration. And they do not yet for the most part have the guiding principles and perspective provided by the UB we share here together. The disappointed, anxious, and impatient among us here are an enigma to me. Why so? It is a form of blindness and spiritual immaturity...no matter any prideful claims otherwise!

Perhaps more progress in their personal religious experience might deliver them the vision and understanding to better appreciate the reality that there are 7 billion souls alive today connected to God same as me, each having their own personal and dynamic religious experience who deserve encouragement and admiration...and not judgement or disappointment or impatience or worry for their souls. I am surrounded everywhere I go by the noble children of God whose light shines upon the pilgrim's path forward to Paradise. What an adventure!!!

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16:6.4 (191.7) There exists in all personality associations of the cosmic mind a quality which might be denominated the “reality response.” It is this universal cosmic endowment of will creatures which saves them from becoming helpless victims of the implied a priori assumptions of science, philosophy, and religion. This reality sensitivity of the cosmic mind responds to certain phases of reality just as energy-material responds to gravity. It would be still more correct to say that these supermaterial realities so respond to the mind of the cosmos.

16:6.5 (192.1) The cosmic mind unfailingly responds (recognizes response) on three levels of universe reality. These responses are self-evident to clear-reasoning and deep-thinking minds. These levels of reality are:

16:6.6 (192.2) 1. Causation—the reality domain of the physical senses, the scientific realms of logical uniformity, the differentiation of the factual and the nonfactual, reflective conclusions based on cosmic response. This is the mathematical form of the cosmic discrimination.

16:6.7 (192.3) 2. Duty—the reality domain of morals in the philosophic realm, the arena of reason, the recognition of relative right and wrong. This is the judicial form of the cosmic discrimination.

16:6.8 (192.4) 3. Worship—the spiritual domain of the reality of religious experience, the personal realization of divine fellowship, the recognition of spirit values, the assurance of eternal survival, the ascent from the status of servants of God to the joy and liberty of the sons of God. This is the highest insight of the cosmic mind, the reverential and worshipful form of the cosmic discrimination.

16:6.9 (192.5) These scientific, moral, and spiritual insights, these cosmic responses, are innate in the cosmic mind, which endows all will creatures. The experience of living never fails to develop these three cosmic intuitions; they are constitutive in the self-consciousness of reflective thinking. But it is sad to record that so few persons on Urantia take delight in cultivating these qualities of courageous and independent cosmic thinking.

16:6.10 (192.6) In the local universe mind bestowals, these three insights of the cosmic mind constitute the a priori assumptions which make it possible for man to function as a rational and self-conscious personality in the realms of science, philosophy, and religion. Stated otherwise, the recognition of the reality of these three manifestations of the Infinite is by a cosmic technique of self-revelation. Matter-energy is recognized by the mathematical logic of the senses; mind-reason intuitively knows its moral duty; spirit-faith (worship) is the religion of the reality of spiritual experience. These three basic factors in reflective thinking may be unified and co-ordinated in personality development, or they may become disproportionate and virtually unrelated in their respective functions. But when they become unified, they produce a strong character consisting in the correlation of a factual science, a moral philosophy, and a genuine religious experience. And it is these three cosmic intuitions that give objective validity, reality, to man’s experience in and with things, meanings, and values.

16:6.11 (192.7) It is the purpose of education to develop and sharpen these innate endowments of the human mind; of civilization to express them; of life experience to realize them; of religion to ennoble them; and of personality to unify them.

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Jim says above: "Growth in faith is first an expansion of our will and then a systematic progression of our awareness of our person as we learn to realize God."

Perhaps you describe "self-understanding"? It is really not increased self awareness or self importance or self denial or self improvement that contributes to spiritual progress as I understand those. The "self" grows unconciously by the sincerity and quality of our decisions multiplied by their quantity over time that results in wisdom, maturity, self mastery, and religious growth.

Is that what you mean?

Self mastery is something else important to consider.

We must lose ourself to save ourself as I recall.

Hmmmm....

103:5.6 (1134.4) The attempt to secure equal good for the self and for the greatest number of other selves presents a problem which cannot always be satisfactorily resolved in a time-space frame. Given an eternal life, such antagonisms can be worked out, but in one short human life they are incapable of solution. Jesus referred to such a paradox when he said: “Whosoever shall save his life shall lose it, but whosoever shall lose his life for the sake of the kingdom, shall find it.”

103:5.8 (1134.6) It is fatal to man’s idealism when he is taught that all of his altruistic impulses are merely the development of his natural herd instincts. But he is ennobled and mightily energized when he learns that these higher urges of his soul emanate from the spiritual forces that indwell his mortal mind.

143:2.2 (1609.3) At one of the evening conferences, Andrew asked Jesus: “Master, are we to practice self-denial as John taught us, or are we to strive for the self-control of your teaching? Wherein does your teaching differ from that of John?” Jesus answered: “John indeed taught you the way of righteousness in accordance with the light and laws of his fathers, and that was the religion of self-examination and self-denial. But I come with a new message of self-forgetfulness and self-control. I show to you the way of life as revealed to me by my Father in heaven.

143:2.3 (1609.4) “Verily, verily, I say to you, he who rules his own self is greater than he who captures a city. Self-mastery is the measure of man’s moral nature and the indicator of his spiritual development. In the old order you fasted and prayed; as the new creature of the rebirth of the spirit, you are taught to believe and rejoice. In the Father’s kingdom you are to become new creatures; old things are to pass away; behold I show you how all things are to become new. And by your love for one another you are to convince the world that you have passed from bondage to liberty, from death into life everlasting.

143:2.4 (1609.5) “By the old way you seek to suppress, obey, and conform to the rules of living; by the new way you are first transformed by the Spirit of Truth and thereby strengthened in your inner soul by the constant spiritual renewing of your mind, and so are you endowed with the power of the certain and joyous performance of the gracious, acceptable, and perfect will of God. Forget not—it is your personal faith in the exceedingly great and precious promises of God that ensures your becoming partakers of the divine nature. Thus by your faith and the spirit’s transformation, you become in reality the temples of God, and his spirit actually dwells within you. If, then, the spirit dwells within you, you are no longer bondslaves of the flesh but free and liberated sons of the spirit. The new law of the spirit endows you with the liberty of self-mastery in place of the old law of the fear of self-bondage and the slavery of self-denial.

143:2.5 (1609.6) “Many times, when you have done evil, you have thought to charge up your acts to the influence of the evil one when in reality you have but been led astray by your own natural tendencies. Did not the Prophet Jeremiah long ago tell you that the human heart is deceitful above all things and sometimes even desperately wicked? How easy for you to become self-deceived and thereby fall into foolish fears, divers lusts, enslaving pleasures, malice, envy, and even vengeful hatred!

143:2.6 (1610.1) “Salvation is by the regeneration of the spirit and not by the self-righteous deeds of the flesh. You are justified by faith and fellowshipped by grace, not by fear and the self-denial of the flesh, albeit the Father’s children who have been born of the spirit are ever and always masters of the self and all that pertains to the desires of the flesh. When you know that you are saved by faith, you have real peace with God. And all who follow in the way of this heavenly peace are destined to be sanctified to the eternal service of the ever-advancing sons of the eternal God. Henceforth, it is not a duty but rather your exalted privilege to cleanse yourselves from all evils of mind and body while you seek for perfection in the love of God.

143:2.7 (1610.2) “Your sonship is grounded in faith, and you are to remain unmoved by fear. Your joy is born of trust in the divine word, and you shall not therefore be led to doubt the reality of the Father’s love and mercy. It is the very goodness of God that leads men into true and genuine repentance. Your secret of the mastery of self is bound up with your faith in the indwelling spirit, which ever works by love. Even this saving faith you have not of yourselves; it also is the gift of God. And if you are the children of this living faith, you are no longer the bondslaves of self but rather the triumphant masters of yourselves, the liberated sons of God.

143:2.8 (1610.3) “If, then, my children, you are born of the spirit, you are forever delivered from the self-conscious bondage of a life of self-denial and watchcare over the desires of the flesh, and you are translated into the joyous kingdom of the spirit, whence you spontaneously show forth the fruits of the spirit in your daily lives; and the fruits of the spirit are the essence of the highest type of enjoyable and ennobling self-control, even the heights of terrestrial mortal attainment—true self-mastery.”

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159:3.5 (1766.1) Never be guilty of such unworthy tactics as endeavoring to frighten men and women into the kingdom. A loving father does not frighten his children into yielding obedience to his just requirements.

159:3.6 (1766.2) Sometime the children of the kingdom will realize that strong feelings of emotion are not equivalent to the leadings of the divine spirit. To be strongly and strangely impressed to do something or to go to a certain place, does not necessarily mean that such impulses are the leadings of the indwelling spirit.

Hmmmm...... :idea:

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