Thank you Fan O Van, I found the sparring a true learning experience.

I had been recently pondering if the upcoming eclipse on April 9th, 7 years after the last eclipse on August 21 might serve as some kind of tribulation period, so I search the Forum to see if anyone else had the same thought. I found Jim Georges post and was fascinated —until I read you response, which reminded me that eclipses and signs from heaven are old school and I should know better.

Thank you.

If I ever try to pull that ka kadoodie on http://www.UrantiaRadio.net podcast, please, being me back to realville.


Thank you, and to Jim, FanoVan is right, you may have missed the starting gun, it was fired already.
(From Pink Floyds’ song “Time” (“noone told me when to run, you missed the starting gun….”)

170:5.8 “But doubt not, this same kingdom of heaven which the Master taught exists within the heart of the believer, will yet be proclaimed to this Christian church, even as to all other religions, races, and nations on earth – even to every individual.”

This statement of expectation has always been a curiosity to me. If the kingdom will be proclaimed “even to every individual”, how can that happen unless it happens essentially in one generation, or maybe even in one moment? Let me explain. Our current world population in September 2021 is estimated to be 7.888 billion people. Our yearly births are about 139.82 million. That is almost 140 million new people who will have to be told of Jesus’ gospel each year. And further, nearly 60.1 million die each year, so we have to make sure they all were told before they go. Therefore, the population is continuing to increase at about 80 million people per year so that by 2023 we will reach 8 billion people worldwide.

But then there is this. The current average human life span worldwide is 73.2 years. This means that these 8 billion people only live on the planet for about 73.2 years at best with 60 plus million leaving this year and 140 million arriving. So, 73.2 years from now, i.e., by 2100, everybody who is currently on the planet will be replaced by new folks. All who currently know of Jesus and all those who don’t, will have left, presumably for Mansonia, according to the common thinking of many Urantians. So, how does the story migrate from one generation to the next, or isn’t that really our job?

Evangelization is how. Those of us who know will pass the story along. How we pass it along is one issue, how effectively we pass it along is another, how much of a deal we make of it as we pass it along is another altogether. You see, we only will ever have our one generation to tell as many as we can if we ever have any hope of telling the whole world. Every generation has the same obligation. Since the planet will be home to a whole new population of 8 billion, we collectively have 73.2 years to tell the 8 billion people who are here now.

Now, let’s look at how we are doing. If the population of the world is increasing annually by the number 137.82 million then it is imperative that we share the Gospel with that many just to maintain a steady state. We must also address how we are going to share the Gospel with the other 8 billion while we are taking care of the 138 or so million new residents. Ladies and gentlemen, the equivalent population of the entire city of New Orleans, LA is born on our planet every single day; that is 383 thousand new souls every day. The numbers are staggering.

Yet, according to the best guesses of the Urantia Foundation and others, we have not shared the Gospel as presented in the Urantia Book with even 5 million yet (I am being generous) and we have been at it for 66 years, since 1955. At this rate it may well take well over 1,578 generations just to tell the folks who are currently here on the planet much less the trillions of folks who arrive during that time. So, how many generations do you think it will take to expand the knowledge of the Gospel sufficiently so we can fulfill the statement in paper 170:5.8? The answer is 1,578 generations at 73.2 years each to tell 8 billion people, which is if we can tell 5 million per generation.

Or are we missing something here? 62,230,600,817,543 is the number of people who will have passed from birth to death on this planet during that time while we are trying to tell the current 8 billion. Funny how far from reality this is; from the idea of spreading it by “word of mouth”. I suggest our current way will not do the trick, don’t you agree?

Oh, I get it, it’s not our problem you say? And clearly you are correct; at least it isn’t one we are taking on seriously, nor could we if left to our own devises. So, when I suggest that the Revelation of the 5th Epoch isn’t complete, that there must be a new plan for a new revelation God has in mind (as is stated in 195:10), and suggest that some kind of “triggering event” as in a “New John the Baptist” (say now I wonder if anyone has thought of that) is on the horizon, I hear derision and scorn from Bradley and others. And I am merely immature in my outlook?

How dare we say, we are doing just fine? What a joke. “Feed my sheep”, Jesus said. He has 8 billion head of sheep on Urantia right now and humanity is spiritually starving to death. 73.2 years from now they will all be gone and 8 billion others will have taken their places . . . word of mouth, yeah right! Or, maybe we don’t really believe the papers after all.

I think it is about time we quit thinking we are capable of fulfilling the admonition of paper 170:5.8 on our own. I think it is time we got down off our pedestals of self-righteousness, of see how much of the Urantia Book we each know contests, and got down on our knees and yelled ‘uncle’. We need help. The world’s people need help.

It is time for a hatching of butterflies.

Jim

More proclamations and declarations which directly refute and contradict the UB but do promote Jim's predictions of an imminent visitation and dispensational triggering event.

Yikes. Oh dear. How very shrill. And dark. And impatient. And desperate. Hopeless really. What a state of affairs you declare here.

Speaking for others...again...and still. Who is "we" Jim? Who says it's not our problem? Who dares to say we are doing just fine? What is "our current way"? Who says so? Who thinks we are capable of fulfilling anything at all "on our own"? Who is it that is on a "pedestal of self-righteousness"? Who is engaged in a "see how much of the UB we each know contest"? Please learn to speak for yourself Jim.

Your low opinions about others are merely opinions after all... and false. You speak for no one else Jim... no one.

Still more disappointment Jim? You claim 8 billion souls are "spiritually starving to death". WOW!! Talk about self-righteous!! And judgmental!! So the world is damned?? There is no hope?? The Spirit of Truth has failed?? The plan of evolutionary progress and the Most Highs are failures as well??

The text in 170:5.8 does not say or mean that all peoples will know or hear the Jesusonian Gospel suddenly or at the same time and all at once Jim. Good grief. It declares the inevitable outcome of the progressive planetary evolutionary outcomes and destiny of every world which rises from the slime of cellular life to the trees and caves of human origin to the sublime enlightened mortal planetary state of light and life!!!

Your disappointment with the Urantia Foundation and Fellowship and Association is well documented here Jim. You find their work of 3 generations of servants, volunteers, donors, and servant leaders disappointing and a failure. You whine about it quite often and vociferously. Their list of accomplishments is far too lengthy to recite here but does include distribution of the Papers in over15 languages for free digital downloads and an organizational infrastructure for planetary dissemination of the Revelation and related inspirational works of art and literature and gatherings and study groups - all of which are active on every continent in a growing and vital community that spans languages and cultures and countries. These seed sowers have been an inspiration and example of bravery and effort with great success!!

Your post above is a preposterous distortion of the message of both the Jesusonian Gospel and the Urantia Book. But certainly does exemplify your own dark and dangerous perspective of reality. How sad and unfortunate. Only you proclaim that all people will suddenly and universally know the universal gospel proclaimed by Michael. Not at all what the UB says Jim. Not even close. The UB teaches that all people everywhere will eventually come to know and embrace that Good News and that the Brotherhood of all creation will reign and rule our world with a singular certainty and knowledge and perspective of universe reality by EVOLUTIONARY PROGRESS attained one soul and one generation at a time. It clearly teaches that planetary destiny is far, far, far into our future and that many epochs of evolutionary progress will occur between now and then.

That truth and fact is clearly described and outlined in its many stages of progressive and evolutionary development in the UB. What you do here is defy and contradict the glorious description of our shared destiny and the universal progression required of all and every evolutionary sphere in all time and space. Shame on you. And your impatience. And your disappointment. You sound as if you are unraveling Jim. Gripped by the petulant immaturity of impatience and disappointment.

But let not the students here or the believers anywhere buy into your personal angst and regrets and guilt and blame and demands of instant gratification and the abrogation of the demands of evolution for patience and forbearance and resolve and courage and faith and trust in the Most Highs and the certainties of destiny described by the Gospel of Jesus and the Revelation we share here together!!

"Impatience is a spirit poison."

74:8.14 (838.6) The “golden age” is a myth, but Eden was a fact, and the Garden civilization was actually overthrown. Adam and Eve carried on in the Garden for one hundred and seventeen years when, through the impatience of Eve and the errors of judgment of Adam, they presumed to turn aside from the ordained way, speedily bringing disaster upon themselves and ruinous retardation upon the developmental progression of all Urantia.

75:1.6 (840.2) Probably no Material Sons of Nebadon were ever faced with such a difficult and seemingly hopeless task as confronted Adam and Eve in the sorry plight of Urantia. But they would have sometime met with success had they been more farseeing and patient. Both of them, especially Eve, were altogether too impatient; they were not willing to settle down to the long, long endurance test. They wanted to see some immediate results, and they did, but the results thus secured proved most disastrous both to themselves and to their world.

"Evangelism and the Urantia Book": https://truthbook.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5502



118:1.3 (1295.3) There is a direct relationship between maturity and the unit of time consciousness in any given intellect. The time unit may be a day, a year, or a longer period, but inevitably it is the criterion by which the conscious self evaluates the circumstances of life, and by which the conceiving intellect measures and evaluates the facts of temporal existence.

118:1.8 (1295. The time unit of immaturity concentrates meaning-value into the present moment in such a way as to divorce the present of its true relationship to the not-present—the past-future. The time unit of maturity is proportioned so to reveal the co-ordinate relationship of past-present-future that the self begins to gain insight into the wholeness of events, begins to view the landscape of time from the panoramic perspective of broadened horizons, begins perhaps to suspect the nonbeginning, nonending eternal continuum, the fragments of which are called time.