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First, lemme say that I'm an absolutely new reader of the Urantia Book (TUB).... so I ask that you forgive me for any missteps or erroneous statements. I am a fallen-away southern Baptist and "slowly fading" former agnostic, but after discovering (on Amazon) and raptly reading “The Untold Story of Jesus” (which impelled me to get and begin reading TUB), I'm an embryonic believer.... Absolutely thrilled I am to find and be able to participate in this forum.

Now, this is a really tough question for me to post, and I fervently hope it doesn’t alienate any readers. I mean no disrespect by asking it, and I really want to get some sincere answers. Let me preface my question with a statement: “I don’t know that I can truthfully say that I love God; however, I can say that I love Michael/Jesus. It’s easy for me to identify with Jesus, for whom I have great admiration; God, however, not to overstate the case, is a stranger to me.”

Here’s the question: “Why should I love God?” I acknowledge, understand, and accept that Jesus told us/me to love God, and to love our fellow sisters and brothers, who are children of God just as we/I are. (I’m mildly struggling with the second one, and it’s largely a matter of remembering to do so when I have initial and fleeting unkind thoughts.) Love, to my mind, is either earned or grows in one, based on an appreciation of the qualities or actions of another. Since the Universal Father is the author/creator of everything (including me, albeit indirectly), if I feel grateful for having been created, then it’s to the UF that I should be grateful.

I am glad to be alive, and I’ve enjoyed my life through all its ups and downs (mostly ups). However, gratitude doesn’t equate to love, and gratitude seems appropriate only for those actions mindfully and specifically (if not only) intended for me or someone whom I love. Should I give thanks to express gratitude? If so, what should I be thankful for? Only life itself, it seems. If we express thanks (to God) for the “gifts” of good fortune we experience, then we are acknowledging that God has favored some of us over others. This seems manifestly unfair: God is perfect, and he cannot be unfair.

Maybe, since Jesus told us to love God, that should be enough. Until I learn better, I will try to do so, and — honestly — I’m not being difficult or stubborn, I just want to feel that love in my heart, mind, and soul. Respectfully….

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Important questions and interesting topic redryder!

It is my experience that this forum community welcomes all sincere inquiries from those who seek understanding by study of the universe reality perspective presented in the Papers.

Asking questions which require thoughtful reflection and research is how teachers teach...and how students teach, as well as learn!

To the issues raised...

So...love is a circuit of dynamic flow. That circuit and love itself has a Source and Center. Love can only be received by its giving. Those who do not give love cannot receive it either (same with mercy and forgiveness we are taught). Love is always in flow.

Every response to love and every expression of truth, beauty, and goodness (LOVE) goes to the experiential Deity - God the Supreme - to be eternalized and realized and actualized. Every such experience and expressions are also internalized and transformative for every Individual personality who experiences love by their giving of love, but also are other persons affected radially by proximity AND by network connectivity over time and great distance (the "butterfly efect").

Love is the great primal cause of endless effects.

I doubt you truly need to concern yourself overmuch about whom to love as all love blesses all beings in the circuit of love (the family of creation), including its Source and Center!

Or so I understand the UB to teach us.

Bradly

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So...love somebody. Try to love one more somebody every week or day...until you learn to love everybody!!

You can't leave God out of love. Any true love flows from God and back to God too!

Have you read about the Deity Gravity Circuits?

Love is always between personalities. God is the source of every and all personality, and God is directly connected to all personalities and to each person by the Personality Gravity Circuit. God is always with us and knows us and experiences every act of love by every being in the universe of universes!

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100:4.6 (1098.3) You cannot truly love your fellows by a mere act of the will. Love is only born of thoroughgoing understanding of your neighbor’s motives and sentiments. It is not so important to love all men today as it is that each day you learn to love one more human being. If each day or each week you achieve an understanding of one more of your fellows, and if this is the limit of your ability, then you are certainly socializing and truly spiritualizing your personality. Love is infectious, and when human devotion is intelligent and wise, love is more catching than hate. But only genuine and unselfish love is truly contagious. If each mortal could only become a focus of dynamic affection, this benign virus of love would soon pervade the sentimental emotion-stream of humanity to such an extent that all civilization would be encompassed by love, and that would be the realization of the brotherhood of man.

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Hi redryder, and thanks for another good question.

In my experience, love is more than feeling. It is a decison that I can make. The UB teaches us that love is the desire to do good to another. I believe that we can love God by doing good to the brother/sisterhood of mankind. God lives in each of them, as in me. So, by doing good to them, I am doing good to him, too. Fanofvan puts it well here:

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Every response to love and every expression of truth, beauty, and goodness (LOVE) goes to the experiential Deity - God the Supreme to be eternalized and realized and actualized. Every such experience and expressions are also internalized and transformative for every Individual personality who experiences love by their giving of love, but also are other persons affected radially by proximity AND by network connectivity over time and great distance (the "butterfly efect")


Having said that, there is another way that I have come to love God. When I found out from reading the UB that God was a person, that was pretty mind-blowing to me. I was so impressed when I read:

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102:4.1 (1123.1) Because of the presence in your minds of the Thought Adjuster, it is no more of a mystery for you to know the mind of God than for you to be sure of the consciousness of knowing any other mind, human or superhuman. Religion and social consciousness have this in common: They are predicated on the consciousness of other-mindness. The technique whereby you can accept another’s idea as yours is the same whereby you may “let the mind which was in Christ be also in you.”


So, I decided to try and get to know God. And it has been a great journey. When one talks with another person on a regular basis and shares life with that person, you can't help but know them better. With God, it means something more than praying (in the traditional sense) or even worship, although it does become easier to worship when you know the being that you worship better.

Over a span of many years, I have come to know God better and really, I can't help but love him. He has shown himself to me over and over in big and small ways. I rely on him, I take him with me throughout the day, I talk to him all the time, and he always is faithful to me and loves me in return.

BTW, another part of the book that has been helpful in this regard is the section on the alter ego https://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-91-the-evolution-of-prayer/#U91_3_0

If you try to get to know God in your own way, person-to-person, I suspect you will eventually find out why you should love him. It's easier than you might think. And he's a great friend.

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Hi again redryder

I don't know if I've always "loved" God, but as far as I can remember I have always wanted Him, I have always desired to know Him. I don't mean that to sound self-righteous. I can only remember back to the age of 4 when I consciously asked Jesus into my heart... I don't know if that coincides with the arrival of my Thought Adjuster. The "pilot light" example given in 107:4:5 Is the easiest illustration for me to comprehend (1181.1) "In the universe of Nebadon this Paradise luminosity is widespreadly known as the “pilot light”; on Uversa it is called the “light of life.” On Urantia this phenomenon has sometimes been referred to as that “true light which lights every man who comes into the world.”

So I love Him because He first loved me.

“It is the Adjuster who creates within man that unquenchable yearning and incessant longing to be like God, to attain Paradise, and there before the actual person of Deity to worship the infinite source of the divine gift. The Adjuster is the living presence which actually links the mortal son with his Paradise Father and draws him nearer and nearer to the Father. The Adjuster is our compensatory equalization of the enormous universe tension which is created by the distance of man's removal from God and by the degree of his partiality in contrast with the universality of the eternal Father.” (1176.5) 107:0.5

So in a sense I see my loving God as the result of the indwelling Adjuster, not because of any positive attribute of my character or mental process.

All the quotes here are very helpful for me personally:

https://www.urantia.org/topical-studies ... -adjusters

Thanks for the good questions, very thought-provoking!


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redryder posts: "Love, to my mind, is either earned or grows in one, based on an appreciation of the qualities or actions of another."

The Master and the UB both teach us another form of and reason to love one another.

The essence of the Jesusonian Gospel is the paternal affection and nature of God and the family of creation. The Brotherhood of all personalities.

Love that is conditional is limited by its own self importance and self interest. Jesus says we are to love strangers...and enemies and those who despise us and mistreat us.

Can love be earned I wonder? Should we not love our children until they earn our affection and loyalty and duty? How does mercy and forgiveness affect love that is conditional?

Not an easy thing to understand for us tadpoles.

We are told God is no respecter of persons and gives sunshine and rain to all regardless of who "deserves" or has "earned" it.

Such an interesting topic!

Keyword search for "love":

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... s=Love&op=

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140:3.15 (1571.2) “I say to you: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who despitefully use you. And whatsoever you believe that I would do to men, do you also to them.

140:3.16 (1571.3) “Your Father in heaven makes the sun to shine on the evil as well as upon the good; likewise he sends rain on the just and the unjust. You are the sons of God; even more, you are now the ambassadors of my Father’s kingdom. Be merciful, even as God is merciful, and in the eternal future of the kingdom you shall be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect.

140:3.17 (1571.4) “You are commissioned to save men, not to judge them. At the end of your earth life you will all expect mercy; therefore do I require of you during your mortal life that you show mercy to all of your brethren in the flesh. Make not the mistake of trying to pluck a mote out of your brother’s eye when there is a beam in your own eye. Having first cast the beam out of your own eye, you can the better see to cast the mote out of your brother’s eye.

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5. The Love of God

2:5.1 (38.6) “God is love”; therefore his only personal attitude towards the affairs of the universe is always a reaction of divine affection. The Father loves us sufficiently to bestow his life upon us. “He makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.”

2:5.2 (39.1) It is wrong to think of God as being coaxed into loving his children because of the sacrifices of his Sons or the intercession of his subordinate creatures, “for the Father himself loves you.” It is in response to this paternal affection that God sends the marvelous Adjusters to indwell the minds of men. God’s love is universal; “whosoever will may come.” He would “have all men be saved by coming into the knowledge of the truth.” He is “not willing that any should perish.”

2:5.3 (39.2) The Creators are the very first to attempt to save man from the disastrous results of his foolish transgression of the divine laws. God’s love is by nature a fatherly affection; therefore does he sometimes “chasten us for our own profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness.” Even during your fiery trials remember that “in all our afflictions he is afflicted with us.”

2:5.4 (39.3) God is divinely kind to sinners. When rebels return to righteousness, they are mercifully received, “for our God will abundantly pardon.” “I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.” “Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God.”

2:5.5 (39.4) After all, the greatest evidence of the goodness of God and the supreme reason for loving him is the indwelling gift of the Father—the Adjuster who so patiently awaits the hour when you both shall be eternally made one. Though you cannot find God by searching, if you will submit to the leading of the indwelling spirit, you will be unerringly guided, step by step, life by life, through universe upon universe, and age by age, until you finally stand in the presence of the Paradise personality of the Universal Father.

2:5.6 (39.5) How unreasonable that you should not worship God because the limitations of human nature and the handicaps of your material creation make it impossible for you to see him. Between you and God there is a tremendous distance (physical space) to be traversed. There likewise exists a great gulf of spiritual differential which must be bridged; but notwithstanding all that physically and spiritually separates you from the Paradise personal presence of God, stop and ponder the solemn fact that God lives within you; he has in his own way already bridged the gulf. He has sent of himself, his spirit, to live in you and to toil with you as you pursue your eternal universe career.

2:5.7 (39.6) I find it easy and pleasant to worship one who is so great and at the same time so affectionately devoted to the uplifting ministry of his lowly creatures. I naturally love one who is so powerful in creation and in the control thereof, and yet who is so perfect in goodness and so faithful in the loving-kindness which constantly overshadows us. I think I would love God just as much if he were not so great and powerful, as long as he is so good and merciful. We all love the Father more because of his nature than in recognition of his amazing attributes.

2:5.8 (39.7) When I observe the Creator Sons and their subordinate administrators struggling so valiantly with the manifold difficulties of time inherent in the evolution of the universes of space, I discover that I bear these lesser rulers of the universes a great and profound affection. After all, I think we all, including the mortals of the realms, love the Universal Father and all other beings, divine or human, because we discern that these personalities truly love us. The experience of loving is very much a direct response to the experience of being loved. Knowing that God loves me, I should continue to love him supremely, even though he were divested of all his attributes of supremacy, ultimacy, and absoluteness.

2:5.9 (40.1) The Father’s love follows us now and throughout the endless circle of the eternal ages. As you ponder the loving nature of God, there is only one reasonable and natural personality reaction thereto: You will increasingly love your Maker; you will yield to God an affection analogous to that given by a child to an earthly parent; for, as a father, a real father, a true father, loves his children, so the Universal Father loves and forever seeks the welfare of his created sons and daughters.

2:5.10 (40.2) But the love of God is an intelligent and farseeing parental affection. The divine love functions in unified association with divine wisdom and all other infinite characteristics of the perfect nature of the Universal Father. God is love, but love is not God. The greatest manifestation of the divine love for mortal beings is observed in the bestowal of the Thought Adjusters, but your greatest revelation of the Father’s love is seen in the bestowal life of his Son Michael as he lived on earth the ideal spiritual life. It is the indwelling Adjuster who individualizes the love of God to each human soul.

2:5.11 (40.3) At times I am almost pained to be compelled to portray the divine affection of the heavenly Father for his universe children by the employment of the human word symbol love. This term, even though it does connote man’s highest concept of the mortal relations of respect and devotion, is so frequently designative of so much of human relationship that is wholly ignoble and utterly unfit to be known by any word which is also used to indicate the matchless affection of the living God for his universe creatures! How unfortunate that I cannot make use of some supernal and exclusive term which would convey to the mind of man the true nature and exquisitely beautiful significance of the divine affection of the Paradise Father.

2:5.12 (40.4) When man loses sight of the love of a personal God, the kingdom of God becomes merely the kingdom of good. Notwithstanding the infinite unity of the divine nature, love is the dominant characteristic of all God’s personal dealings with his creatures.

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As they say in the classics:

"Energy and faith may move mountains, but Personality is moved ONLY by LOVE."

UB 143 wrote:
"But I declare to you that my Father in Paradise does rule a universe of universes by the compelling power of his love." (143:1.4)

UB 143 wrote:
"Truth is a liberating revelation, but love is the supreme relationship." (143:1.4)

Thanks redryder!
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Thanks so much to you four who responded to my post (maryjo606, fanofVan, NNunn, and pethuel); I appreciate your thoughts and insights! I’ve finished reading the Topical Study at the link provided by pethuel (thanks for that!), and learned much about the Thought Adjusters to mull over and discuss with Marion.

Looking back at my original post, when I said “Love . . . is earned, (or grows in one) based on appreciation of the qualities or actions of another”, I realize now that what I was describing was “conditional” love, and truly might better be termed affection (albeit frequently intense and abiding). It is conscious, and selective, and it can change: lessening, intensifying, or even disappearing completely. Perhaps, at least for my perspective, the term “love” should be reserved for those entities for whom we have (or should have) unquestioning, continuing, and unconscious feelings of love: mother, father, sister, brother, and God. Regardless of their qualities or actions, that love is engendered solely by their being who they are. However, the question lurking behind my original question remains: if I don’t feel love for God, how can I develop it? If I don’t love my earthly father, an “up-close and personal” figure who gave me life, how can I love my heavenly father?

Without going into unnecessary detail about my early life, let me explain that: while I have respect for my father, who was a good man, I don’t know that I ever felt love for him; for my alcoholic mother I felt only sympathy and sorrow; for my stepmother, I had some degree of affection, but not love; I have no sister; and for my three half-brothers, I guess I might have love. As I write this, it makes me feel ambivalent, but clearly like there’s something wrong with (or lacking in) me. I look forward to your observations, suggestions, personal experiences, et cetera....

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redryder wrote:
Thanks so much to you four who responded to my post (maryjo606, fanofVan, NNunn, and pethuel); I appreciate your thoughts and insights! I’ve finished reading the Topical Study at the link provided by pethuel (thanks for that!), and learned much about the Thought Adjusters to mull over and discuss with Marion.

Looking back at my original post, when I said “Love . . . is earned, (or grows in one) based on appreciation of the qualities or actions of another”, I realize now that what I was describing was “conditional” love, and truly might better be termed affection (albeit frequently intense and abiding). It is conscious, and selective, and it can change: lessening, intensifying, or even disappearing completely. Perhaps, at least for my perspective, the term “love” should be reserved for those entities for whom we have (or should have) unquestioning, continuing, and unconscious feelings of love: mother, father, sister, brother, and God. Regardless of their qualities or actions, that love is engendered solely by their being who they are. However, the question lurking behind my original question remains: if I don’t feel love for God, how can I develop it? If I don’t love my earthly father, an “up-close and personal” figure who gave me life, how can I love my heavenly father?

Without going into unnecessary detail about my early life, let me explain that: while I have respect for my father, who was a good man, I don’t know that I ever felt love for him; for my alcoholic mother I felt only sympathy and sorrow; for my stepmother, I had some degree of affection, but not love; I have no sister; and for my three half-brothers, I guess I might have love. As I write this, it makes me feel ambivalent, but clearly like there’s something wrong with (or lacking in) me. I look forward to your observations, suggestions, personal experiences, et cetera....


I look forward to a study of the meaning of "love" as defined and presented in the Papers. I wonder if we might learn to love others only because of their origin and potential destiny and our familial relationship in the family of creation? Or perhaps love them because we truly come to understand them and their situation in light of their hopes and ideals? Or because we are not judgemental but are forgiving and merciful instead??

Perhaps we "should have" love for everyone? How do we do that or get there? The Urantia Papers guide us toward such a reality perspective.

I hope you will take advantage of the keyword search for "love" posted above and I look forward to your discoveries and further discussion here!

Bradly. 8)

100:4.4 (1098.1) In physical life the senses tell of the existence of things; mind discovers the reality of meanings; but the spiritual experience reveals to the individual the true values of life. These high levels of human living are attained in the supreme love of God and in the unselfish love of man. If you love your fellow men, you must have discovered their values. Jesus loved men so much because he placed such a high value upon them. You can best discover values in your associates by discovering their motivation. If someone irritates you, causes feelings of resentment, you should sympathetically seek to discern his viewpoint, his reasons for such objectionable conduct. If once you understand your neighbor, you will become tolerant, and this tolerance will grow into friendship and ripen into love.

100:4.5 (1098.2) In the mind’s eye conjure up a picture of one of your primitive ancestors of cave-dwelling times—a short, misshapen, filthy, snarling hulk of a man standing, legs spread, club upraised, breathing hate and animosity as he looks fiercely just ahead. Such a picture hardly depicts the divine dignity of man. But allow us to enlarge the picture. In front of this animated human crouches a saber-toothed tiger. Behind him, a woman and two children. Immediately you recognize that such a picture stands for the beginnings of much that is fine and noble in the human race, but the man is the same in both pictures. Only, in the second sketch you are favored with a widened horizon. You therein discern the motivation of this evolving mortal. His attitude becomes praiseworthy because you understand him. If you could only fathom the motives of your associates, how much better you would understand them. If you could only know your fellows, you would eventually fall in love with them.

100:4.6 (1098.3) You cannot truly love your fellows by a mere act of the will. Love is only born of thoroughgoing understanding of your neighbor’s motives and sentiments. It is not so important to love all men today as it is that each day you learn to love one more human being. If each day or each week you achieve an understanding of one more of your fellows, and if this is the limit of your ability, then you are certainly socializing and truly spiritualizing your personality. Love is infectious, and when human devotion is intelligent and wise, love is more catching than hate. But only genuine and unselfish love is truly contagious. If each mortal could only become a focus of dynamic affection, this benign virus of love would soon pervade the sentimental emotion-stream of humanity to such an extent that all civilization would be encompassed by love, and that would be the realization of the brotherhood of man.

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So...according to 100:4.6 above we cannot love others or anyone because we should or are told we must. Can't happen. Including relatives (for sure!).

I think perhaps, finally, I have come to love humanity in total. The UB has shown me the million year valient, evolutionary struggle to rise from caves and tree tops toward our futue destiny of Light and Life. I can perceive the struggle and progress and trajectory and the nobility of our collective humanity in response to our shared Deity Connections and Spirit nature.

Humanity's Arthurian tale of idealism, morality, culture, and selfless service is filled with heroes and intrepid souls who confront superstitions and evil with grace and wit and enduring courage!

But still there are those individuals I do not like. How can we love those we do not like? Or hurt us? Or cheat or rob or insult us??

I love people...until I meet them...haha! But if I get to know and understand them and their journey through the vicissitudes of life, I often love them again!

Certainly did the Master give such an example. To understand the struggles, pain, suffering, love deprivation, abuse, neglect, loss, tragedy, grief, loneliness, and disappointments of others while knowing their hopes and ideals and aspirations - only such understanding can bring forth love that is personal.

Why are people kind? Generous? Forgiving? What is their universe reality perspective and philosophy of living that delivers self forgetting service without grudges and resentments and judgement?

The Urantia Papers teach that children are naturally kind and generous and forgiving persons. They must be taught otherwise by parents or others while vulnerable and impressionable.

The UB also teaches that we can overcome all suffering and affliction personally by our response to the Spirit within and the urges, yearns, and thirst for righteousness and the happiness that comes by truth, beauty, and goodness ...and love.

We personally benefit by giving love to others. We receive love by our giving of love. Such personal motivation delivers the fruits of the Spirit. Sharing those by caring for others brings forth ever more Spirit fruit for the sharing!

Or so I understand the UB to teach...

So much to think about...

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2. Spiritual Growth

100:2.1 (1095.5) Spiritual development depends, first, on the maintenance of a living spiritual connection with true spiritual forces and, second, on the continuous bearing of spiritual fruit: yielding the ministry to one’s fellows of that which has been received from one’s spiritual benefactors. Spiritual progress is predicated on intellectual recognition of spiritual poverty coupled with the self-consciousness of perfection-hunger, the desire to know God and be like him, the wholehearted purpose to do the will of the Father in heaven.

100:2.2 (1095.6) Spiritual growth is first an awakening to needs, next a discernment of meanings, and then a discovery of values. The evidence of true spiritual development consists in the exhibition of a human personality motivated by love, activated by unselfish ministry, and dominated by the wholehearted worship of the perfection ideals of divinity. And this entire experience constitutes the reality of religion as contrasted with mere theological beliefs.

100:2.3 (1095.7) Religion can progress to that level of experience whereon it becomes an enlightened and wise technique of spiritual reaction to the universe. Such a glorified religion can function on three levels of human personality: the intellectual, the morontial, and the spiritual; upon the mind, in the evolving soul, and with the indwelling spirit.

100:2.4 (1096.1) Spirituality becomes at once the indicator of one’s nearness to God and the measure of one’s usefulness to fellow beings. Spirituality enhances the ability to discover beauty in things, recognize truth in meanings, and discover goodness in values. Spiritual development is determined by capacity therefor and is directly proportional to the elimination of the selfish qualities of love.

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Consider the teaching/quote found in the Papers: “Human things must be known in order to be loved, but divine things must be loved in order to be known.”

How does understanding cultivate love?

How does love deliver understanding?

So much truth to discover in paradox!

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The Urantia Papers teach us that we gain wisdom by knowledge and experience and understanding united by insight and the revelation of truth. Truth, understanding, and wisdom are functions of maturity and perspective and greater objectivity.

Forgiveness and mercy and patience are elemental to loving one another.

Faith is our response to the Deity Connections we each and all have. Love recognizes that fact of commonality, and both faith and love delivers the Fruits of the Spirit and the urge to share those by caring for others.

Or so I understand the UB to teach...

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"Why should I love God?”

So...perhaps we should first ask...Why should we love?

Anybody???? Anybody at all?

Or....What is love? Perhaps first things first?

Regarding loving God...God is the very source of love. God's very nature is love personified. God is the source of all life and all persons. The economy of the universe of universes exists by the currency of love...the exchange of love between personalities is real. God lives within us and all beings are connected to God. Mortals are directly connected to Deity by 7+ direct circuits: the 3 Deity Gravity Circuits, the Adjutant Mind Spirits, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, and the Adjuster or God Fragment within.

Some folk are told to fear God. Or that God punishes some and grants favor to others. Some say God is indifferent or aloof. Or that God responds to appeasement and promises. Some blame God or reject God or belief in God because of suffering and the repercussions of sin or stupidity or self importance. Who has not been angry at God?

All such beliefs are wrong according to the Papers.

We are an expression of God. The beloved children of God.

Now...why should we love? To be real. To be relevant. To grow. To achieve. To survive. To attain our destiny. To realize and actualize our potential. To contribute. To prosper.

Without love we are irrelevant to reality and renain temporal and become an obstacle to the purpose and plan and potential of reality itself.

Better learn about love.

Better learn how to love.

For truly, in the end we have purpose and potential and value only to the degree we give love to others.

Or so I understand the Papers to teach...

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56:10.20 (648.3) To finite man truth, beauty, and goodness embrace the full revelation of divinity reality. As this love-comprehension of Deity finds spiritual expression in the lives of God-knowing mortals, there are yielded the fruits of divinity: intellectual peace, social progress, moral satisfaction, spiritual joy, and cosmic wisdom. The advanced mortals on a world in the seventh stage of light and life have learned that love is the greatest thing in the universe—and they know that God is love.

56:10.21 (648.4) Love is the desire to do good to others.

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If God is the origin and source of love and all God's children are connected to God and to one another by the circuitry of personality, mind, and spirit, then God is loved by that love God's children give to one another. Or so I understand the UB to teach us...

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56:8.3 (644.1) Bear in mind, all that God the Father and his Paradise Sons do for us, we in turn and in spirit have the opportunity to do for and in the emerging Supreme Being. The experience of love, joy, and service in the universe is mutual. God the Father does not need that his sons should return to him all that he bestows upon them, but they do (or may) in turn bestow all of this upon their fellows and upon the evolving Supreme Being.

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