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Today I was reading posts from 2020 that dealt with the questions surrounding interstellar travel.

Which of course caused me to think about UFO’s.

Which then made me wonder whether I should bring this subject (UFO’s) up since I personally,
quite a few years ago, witnessed something that has had me wondering ever since.
I wasn’t alone when it was observed, I wasn’t the only one who saw it, I wasn’t under the influence
of anything that would cause me to hallucinate, and I simply can’t explain what we saw this ‘object’
do.

It was the beginning of my conviction that we are not alone in the cosmos and the UB certainly has
solidified that position.

My hesitation to bring this up is due simply to my concern that I may possibly be viewed by some in the UB community as a nutcase. Not a big fan of nutcases and certainly don’t want to be seen that way.

My position is simply that I saw what we saw and my assumption that we don’t have that technology now, much less then.
Which of course raises obvious questions.

Anybody interested in weighing in on something like this? If not, that’s fine there are far more important and relevant topics to discuss here.

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The UB does not specifically address the issues of intergalactic space travel by mechanical vehicles, or mortals from one evolutionary world visiting or traveling to other evolutionary worlds. Lots of prior discussion and speculation though!

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Thanks.

I get it.

Stop asking questions and do research.

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Not at all...ask whatever you will. I always try to direct inquiries to previous discussions for opinions and research. And I will offer text if I know of any. Honest inquiry is always welcome. As is sincere speculation.

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If whole worlds can be created then it's no stretch to believe interplanetary RVs are possible. Consider the fact that the Tree of Life could not have been transported by angels, a tree being physical.

66:4:13 (745.3) These antidotal complements of the Satania life currents were derived from the fruit of the tree of life, a shrub of Edentia which was sent to Urantia by the Most Highs of Norlatiadek at the time of Caligastia’s arrival. In the days of Dalamatia this tree grew in the central courtyard of the temple of the unseen Father, and it was the fruit of the tree of life that enabled the material and otherwise mortal beings of the Prince’s staff to live on indefinitely as long as they had access to it.

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If whole worlds can be created then it's no stretch to believe interplanetary RVs are possible. Consider the fact that the Tree of Life could not have been transported by angels, a tree being physical.

66:4:13 (745.3) These antidotal complements of the Satania life currents were derived from the fruit of the tree of life, a shrub of Edentia which was sent to Urantia by the Most Highs of Norlatiadek at the time of Caligastia’s arrival. In the days of Dalamatia this tree grew in the central courtyard of the temple of the unseen Father, and it was the fruit of the tree of life that enabled the material and otherwise mortal beings of the Prince’s staff to live on indefinitely as long as they had access to it.

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Hi Rick, I would challenge your statement here regarding facts. TUB does not define what the limits of Enseraphimation are. So I think you speculating here.
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I agree...a speculative stretch.

Material Sons and Daughters are dematerialized for transport by being enseraphimed.

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51:2.1 (582.1) Upon receipt of the news that another inhabited world has attained the height of physical evolution, the System Sovereign convenes the corps of Material Sons and Daughters on the system capital; and following the discussion of the needs of such an evolutionary world, two of the volunteering group—an Adam and an Eve of the senior corps of Material Sons—are selected to undertake the adventure, to submit to the deep sleep preparatory to being enseraphimed and transported from their home of associated service to the new realm of new opportunities and new dangers.

51:2.2 (582.2) Adams and Eves are semimaterial creatures and, as such, are not transportable by seraphim. They must undergo dematerialization on the system capital before they can be enseraphimed for transport to the world of assignment. The transport seraphim are able to effect such changes in the Material Sons and in other semimaterial beings as enable them to be enseraphimed and thus to be transported through space from one world or system to another. About three days of standard time are consumed in this transport preparation, and it requires the co-operation of a Life Carrier to restore such a dematerialized creature to normal existence upon arrival at the end of the seraphic-transport journey.

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I think the Tree of Life speculation splits the UFO discussion in two directions: mechanical transportation devices used by space faring interstellar explorers of "alien" but still mortal races OR for celestial or morontial travelers?

The UB offers not one word I have found in 50 years which supports or verifies either claim.

It is my personal belief that mortal races evolve beyond the desire or need for interstellar travel long before they can evolutionarily develop such advanced technologies. The Mortal Epochs of Time deliver religious and social advancements with and by scientific discoveries.

What is the point of interstellar travel for truly advanced evolutionary material worlds who know of origin and destiny and are also not isolated or quarantined? Even our world will, I think, advance beyond such aspirations prior to the scientific capabilities. I do think we will achieve manned interplanetary exploration and mining and even habitation similar to Antarctica for research and mining, etc. But interstellar? Another exponential requirement of so many new technologies and capabilities. Centuries away...at best in my opinion.

I believe there are unidentified flying objects (seen such myself). Quite mysterious indeed. I look forward to a better understanding of that...and so much more! But mortal aliens cruising around in space ships?

My own adventures in sci-fi and being an original Trekie have not been encouraged by my study of the Urantia Papers.

I know others believe differently.

For me, whatever stretches one's imagination and perspective beyond some earth centric limitations is a good thing. The universe of universes is filled with other mortals and is gargantuan in scale and scope and the complexity and intricacies of reality inspire speculation!!

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Angels Online wrote:
rick warren wrote:
If whole worlds can be created then it's no stretch to believe interplanetary RVs are possible. Consider the fact that the Tree of Life could not have been transported by angels, a tree being physical.

66:4:13 (745.3) These antidotal complements of the Satania life currents were derived from the fruit of the tree of life, a shrub of Edentia which was sent to Urantia by the Most Highs of Norlatiadek at the time of Caligastia’s arrival. In the days of Dalamatia this tree grew in the central courtyard of the temple of the unseen Father, and it was the fruit of the tree of life that enabled the material and otherwise mortal beings of the Prince’s staff to live on indefinitely as long as they had access to it.

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Hi Rick, I would challenge your statement here regarding facts. TUB does not define what the limits of Enseraphimation are. So I think you speculating here.


Yes, definitely speculating, Angel. But based on this quote:

39:2:13 (431.2) The angels cannot transport combustion bodies—flesh and blood—such as you now have, but they can transport all others, from the lowest morontia to the higher spirit forms.


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rick warren wrote:
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If whole worlds can be created then it's no stretch to believe interplanetary RVs are possible. Consider the fact that the Tree of Life could not have been transported by angels, a tree being physical.

66:4:13 (745.3) These antidotal complements of the Satania life currents were derived from the fruit of the tree of life, a shrub of Edentia which was sent to Urantia by the Most Highs of Norlatiadek at the time of Caligastia’s arrival. In the days of Dalamatia this tree grew in the central courtyard of the temple of the unseen Father, and it was the fruit of the tree of life that enabled the material and otherwise mortal beings of the Prince’s staff to live on indefinitely as long as they had access to it.

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Hi Rick, I would challenge your statement here regarding facts. TUB does not define what the limits of Enseraphimation are. So I think you speculating here.


Yes, definitely speculating, Angel. But based on this quote:
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Yes. But if Material People can be de-materialized for Seraphic transport, then why can't a Tree ? ;-)


39:2:13 (431.2) The angels cannot transport combustion bodies—flesh and blood—such as you now have, but they can transport all others, from the lowest morontia to the higher spirit forms.


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Yes. But if Material People can be de-materialized for Seraphic transport, then why can't a Tree ? ;-)



Good question, but the quote doesn't say that. And the transport angels carry souls and morontia/spirit beings, no? A tree doesn't have a soul.

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Yes. But if Material People can be de-materialized for Seraphic transport, then why can't a Tree ? ;-)



Good question, but the quote doesn't say that. And the transport angels carry sous and morontia/spirit beings, no? A tree doesn't have a soul.

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I don't see that that distinction makes any difference. The point is mainly surrounding the transport of material objects. Additionally, the circumstances of whereby non-personal material objects need to be transported through space is apparently very rare, so that the Revelators might have thought of no particular need to mention it. All speculation of course.
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Appreciate the different perspectives on UFO’s.

So, for what it’s worth, what I saw:

It was around 1970-71. I was 14 or 15.
A friend and I were in a 7 eleven parking lot when people starting looking up so of course I did too.
Hovering over us was a round (flat?) object roughly 30 ft wide and probably around 50’ or so above
us. It had a light on the center bottom that burned continuously and lights around its perimeter that
circumscribed it by blinking on and off one at a time in series.

It made absolutely no noise. No hum. No engine noise. No blade noise. Nothing.
It was hard to see any fine detail due to the orange lot lights that were burning because it was just
after dusk.
After a minute or so it began to creep away very slowly, again no discernible noise. It got approximately
a tenth of a mile away and made a right turn. Here’s the best part, it went from creeping along at maybe
1 or 2 mph until the right turn when it jumped instantly to an extremely high speed. Like it had been
shot out of a cannon. Again, not a sound.

And that’s it. Nothing less, nothing more.
Been wondering ever since. I explain it this way: I don’t know what I saw, but I know what I … saw.

The lights looked like something we would install, the rest … I don’t know.
Do we have that tech now? Did we have it then?

I know that many sightings can and are explained away as something other then ‘alien’ but what we saw is harder to dismiss.

I tell my wife that I missed my ride.

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