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The Urantia Book names many examples of civilizations that were compromised by dilution with inferior peoples. In light of recent racial violence (replacement theory believers), can one defend the book's racial statements?


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[quote="Mistake"] The Urantia Book names many examples of civilizations that were compromised by dilution with inferior peoples. In light of recent racial violence (replacement theory believers), can one defend the book's racial statements?[quote]

Defend??????

Sure...anyone who has read the book I suppose. In no way does the UB support racism in any form or fashion (as you imply here).

The UB teaches the entirety of the human race are pretty much mongrelized and amalgamated over the past 500,000 years, especially so by the Andite global adventures, and the UB also teaches that every race of Urantians has included BOTH inferior AND superior people. Human inferiority by mental defect or sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies is not specific or peculiar to any color, culture, or racial admixture.

But I cannot defend racism or haters or anti-immigrant or anti-Semitic or white supremacists. There is no defending fear or hate in any form.


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Consider:

https://forum.truthbook.com/viewtopic.p ... hilit=Race

https://forum.truthbook.com/viewtopic.p ... lit=racist

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Link to keyword search for "racial":

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... &op=Search

Any particular text you wish to ask about here?

Here's the only relevant quote with "dilution":

76:6.4 (854.1) And thus ends the story of the Planetary Adam and Eve of Urantia, a story of trial, tragedy, and triumph, at least personal triumph for your well-meaning but deluded Material Son and Daughter and undoubtedly, in the end, a story of ultimate triumph for their world and its rebellion-tossed and evil-harassed inhabitants. When all is summed up, Adam and Eve made a mighty contribution to the speedy civilization and accelerated biologic progress of the human race. They left a great culture on earth, but it was not possible for such an advanced civilization to survive in the face of the early dilution and the eventual submergence of the Adamic inheritance. It is the people who make a civilization; civilization does not make the people.

Me here: So all people on Urantia were genetically inferior to Adam and Eve and the purest Violet bloodlines. The submergence and dilution of the Adamic blood was to the benefit of all peoples of all races, already admixed and comingled long before the Garden, and then spread globally by the adventurous and aggressive Andites.

Are you suggesting you or the UB has opinions regarding nationalism or race based immigration policies?

What do you mean by "dilution"? So called white people are quite the homogeneous amalgamation of so many "races" already. Can we be diluted somehow?

Hmmmm......

I am a little confused by your post here.

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Consider a read of Paper 78:

78:4.1 (871.7) The Andite races were the primary blends of the pure-line violet race and the Nodites plus the evolutionary peoples. In general, Andites should be thought of as having a far greater percentage of Adamic blood than the modern races. In the main, the term Andite is used to designate those peoples whose racial inheritance was from one-eighth to one-sixth violet. Modern Urantians, even the northern white races, contain much less than this percentage of the blood of Adam.

78:4.2 (871.8) The earliest Andite peoples took origin in the regions adjacent to Mesopotamia more than twenty-five thousand years ago and consisted of a blend of the Adamites and Nodites. The second garden was surrounded by concentric circles of diminishing violet blood, and it was on the periphery of this racial melting pot that the Andite race was born. Later on, when the migrating Adamites and Nodites entered the then fertile regions of Turkestan, they soon blended with the superior inhabitants, and the resultant race mixture extended the Andite type northward.

78:4.3 (872.1) The Andites were the best all-round human stock to appear on Urantia since the days of the pure-line violet peoples. They embraced most of the highest types of the surviving remnants of the Adamite and Nodite races and, later, some of the best strains of the yellow, blue, and green men.

78:4.4 (872.2) These early Andites were not Aryan; they were pre-Aryan. They were not white; they were pre-white. They were neither an Occidental nor an Oriental people. But it is Andite inheritance that gives to the polyglot mixture of the so-called white races that generalized homogeneity which has been called Caucasoid.

78:4.5 (872.3) The purer strains of the violet race had retained the Adamic tradition of peace-seeking, which explains why the earlier race movements had been more in the nature of peaceful migrations. But as the Adamites united with the Nodite stocks, who were by this time a belligerent race, their Andite descendants became, for their day and age, the most skillful and sagacious militarists ever to live on Urantia. Thenceforth the movements of the Mesopotamians grew increasingly military in character and became more akin to actual conquests.

78:4.6 (872.4) These Andites were adventurous; they had roving dispositions. An increase of either Sangik or Andonite stock tended to stabilize them. But even so, their later descendants never stopped until they had circumnavigated the globe and discovered the last remote continent.

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78:5.5 (873.1) The Andites not only migrated to Europe but to northern China and India, while many groups penetrated to the ends of the earth as missionaries, teachers, and traders. They contributed considerably to the northern groups of the Saharan Sangik peoples. But only a few teachers and traders ever penetrated farther south in Africa than the headwaters of the Nile. Later on, mixed Andites and Egyptians followed down both the east and west coasts of Africa well below the equator, but they did not reach Madagascar.

78:5.6 (873.2) These Andites were the so-called Dravidian and later Aryan conquerors of India; and their presence in central Asia greatly upstepped the ancestors of the Turanians. Many of this race journeyed to China by way of both Sinkiang and Tibet and added desirable qualities to the later Chinese stocks. From time to time small groups made their way into Japan, Formosa, the East Indies, and southern China, though very few entered southern China by the coastal route.

78:5.7 (873.3) One hundred and thirty-two of this race, embarking in a fleet of small boats from Japan, eventually reached South America and by intermarriage with the natives of the Andes established the ancestry of the later rulers of the Incas. They crossed the Pacific by easy stages, tarrying on the many islands they found along the way. The islands of the Polynesian group were both more numerous and larger then than now, and these Andite sailors, together with some who followed them, biologically modified the native groups in transit. Many flourishing centers of civilization grew up on these now submerged lands as a result of Andite penetration. Easter Island was long a religious and administrative center of one of these lost groups. But of the Andites who navigated the Pacific of long ago none but the one hundred and thirty-two ever reached the mainland of the Americas.

78:5.8 (873.4) The migratory conquests of the Andites continued on down to their final dispersions, from 8000 to 6000 b.c. As they poured out of Mesopotamia, they continuously depleted the biologic reserves of their homelands while markedly strengthening the surrounding peoples. And to every nation to which they journeyed, they contributed humor, art, adventure, music, and manufacture. They were skillful domesticators of animals and expert agriculturists. For the time being, at least, their presence usually improved the religious beliefs and moral practices of the older races. And so the culture of Mesopotamia quietly spread out over Europe, India, China, northern Africa, and the Pacific Islands.

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78:8.12 (877.2) And this is the story of the violet race after the days of Adam and of the fate of their homeland between the Tigris and Euphrates. Their ancient civilization finally fell due to the emigration of superior peoples and the immigration of their inferior neighbors. But long before the barbarian cavalrymen conquered the valley, much of the Garden culture had spread to Asia, Africa, and Europe, there to produce the ferments which have resulted in the twentieth-century civilization of Urantia.


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my two cents' worth (not calculating for inflation) is already covered by Van's previous UB quotes. Racism of any kind goes against the Master's example and teachings, as well as the "let the women keep silence in the churches" doctrine and many other traditions from cultural pasts that perhaps were merely suggested stopgap measures for a temporary situation, such as in Paul´s writings. These tendencies often (not always, of course) are manifested in the preaching and teaching of hard line religionists and in the populist speeches of hard line politicians currying the political support of religious communities.

I follow two forums, this one, and also a Hammond organ repair and maintenance forum. In each of these forums I have access to the experience of those who have gained, through study and experience. a thorough and working knowledge of their fields of study and their opinions carry considerable weight. These two forums share another common trait, and that is the appearance from time to time of someone throwing a political or contentious wrench in the form of a post or comment into the normally smooth running machinery of the forum.

The subject of race in the Urantia Book is an apparent stumbling block for some, especially new members. They find everything else wonderful but choke on this particular subject and also concerning eugenics. I also choked and sputtered on many statements in the Urantia Papers, which shook my fundamentalist pillars of faith to the core. Only after further study was I able to wrap my head around these subjects without the restraints of a former mindset. So patience is required for the new student, a willingness to jettison timeworn and obsolete beliefs.

But it behooves the experienced forum members to follow, as much as possible, the teachings of the Master and his personal example during his bestowal. Allow me to coin the phrase "To win some we must be winsome". Newcomers are here because they have questions and are looking for answers and in spite of doctrinal boo-boos or shibboleths they are sincere seekers and should be respected as such.

Unfortunately I am also aware of "snipers" and those who rove other forums with a doctrinal axe to grind. Thank you to the moderators for establishing order. And thanks to all who participate!


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So....this topic has been opened by Mistake in Abner's Corner.

I don't believe the subject matter controversial or inflammatory personally. I hope others will join in the conversation here, or there.

A post of mine from Abner's:

"Greetings!!

I think social evolution and planetary destiny as a managed process, subject to experiential wisdom, is the foundational perspective to project or articulate as my personal perspective when having intelligent and meaningful and reflective conversations about all current affairs.

I try to broaden the horizon perspective to consider the actual trajectory of human history as to its momentum and potential intersections of ideal outcomes.

So many are so blind to this arc of potential actualization already actually achieved. Most Christians are encouraged to believe in Armageddon and the end of times and are fed this endless anxiety and dread poison potion that preaches that globalization and social progress are the work of the Antichrist rather than evolutionary progress.

What can you/we do with such nonsense???

How can you/we get past that??

People are so focused on the shadows and dark patches of human error and deliberate sin that they are blind to the mass and momentum and trajectory of human history and destiny.

And too many who believe in Divine creation and power and plan believe that Evil Forces and Powers actually determine outcomes.

Our world is very confused. We are taught that the Spirit of Truth and flood of TA's are a great influence and spiritual pressure that is now accelerating personal and subsequent social response spiritual progress.

That can be hard to detect...but a more distant horizon perspective helps me personally on the daily!!!

The UB teaches, and I believe, there will be one homogeneous human race and language and reality perspective and philosophy for living. All people would benefit from such a hopeful and trusting belief but few share it today unfortunately.

Thanks for being here!"

Bradly 8)


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Some encouraging text about planetary trajectory momentum:

52:6.7 (598.2) 5. Spiritual insight. The brotherhood of man is, after all, predicated on the recognition of the fatherhood of God. The quickest way to realize the brotherhood of man on Urantia is to effect the spiritual transformation of present-day humanity. The only technique for accelerating the natural trend of social evolution is that of applying spiritual pressure from above, thus augmenting moral insight while enhancing the soul capacity of every mortal to understand and love every other mortal. Mutual understanding and fraternal love are transcendent civilizers and mighty factors in the world-wide realization of the brotherhood of man.

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195:9.1 (2082.6) Do not overlook the value of your spiritual heritage, the river of truth running down through the centuries, even to the barren times of a materialistic and secular age. In all your worthy efforts to rid yourselves of the superstitious creeds of past ages, make sure that you hold fast the eternal truth. But be patient! when the present superstition revolt is over, the truths of Jesus’ gospel will persist gloriously to illuminate a new and better way.

195:9.2 (2082.7) But paganized and socialized Christianity stands in need of new contact with the uncompromised teachings of Jesus; it languishes for lack of a new vision of the Master’s life on earth. A new and fuller revelation of the religion of Jesus is destined to conquer an empire of materialistic secularism and to overthrow a world sway of mechanistic naturalism. Urantia is now quivering on the very brink of one of its most amazing and enthralling epochs of social readjustment, moral quickening, and spiritual enlightenment.

195:9.3 (2082.8) The teachings of Jesus, even though greatly modified, survived the mystery cults of their birthtime, the ignorance and superstition of the dark ages, and are even now slowly triumphing over the materialism, mechanism, and secularism of the twentieth century. And such times of great testing and threatened defeat are always times of great revelation.

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99:1.3 (1086.6) Urantia society can never hope to settle down as in past ages. The social ship has steamed out of the sheltered bays of established tradition and has begun its cruise upon the high seas of evolutionary destiny; and the soul of man, as never before in the world’s history, needs carefully to scrutinize its charts of morality and painstakingly to observe the compass of religious guidance. The paramount mission of religion as a social influence is to stabilize the ideals of mankind during these dangerous times of transition from one phase of civilization to another, from one level of culture to another.

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Fan of Van wrote "How can you/we get past that??"

Misguided religious indoctrination must be abandoned as the mortal discovers new and more meaningful facts, and it isn't an easy process for a new reader born and raised in traditional concepts. I think the desire to climb and grow gains the upper hand over traditional doctrine and at some point the baggage of traditions and dogma is jettisoned in favor of new revealed spiritual truths.

So it's not so much a matter of getting past these restrictions and hindrances as much as it is firmly grasping new truth as it is revealed.

At least that's the way it has been for me.


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