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I'm fascinated by the two eclipses that I heard about on Halbert Katzen's UBtheNEWS website (https://ubannotated.com/main-menu/anima ... the-times/) that take place within seven years of each other, as well as the fact that the two paths of these eclipses "cross" near the Bald Knob Cross in southern Illinois.

The first eclipse has already happened on August 21, 2017 (the birthday of Jesus), and the second one will appear on April 8, 2024 (the anniversary of the day before Jesus' resurrection).

The fact that these two paths intersect near the Bald Knob Cross is very significant in my opinion, especially since this planet is known throughout Creation as the World of the Cross.

I couldn't find a post on the TruthBook forum about this, so I thought I'd add one here. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts on it, whether it ranges from "this doesn't mean anything and it's nothing but a coincidence" to "omg is Michael or Machiventa coming back?!"

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There's a nice article about this in the latest issue (Summer 2022) Fellowship Herald, the Urantia Fellowship's periodical. Unfortunately, I can't find it online right now, probably because it is too new. But maybe someone out there can figure out a way tp upload it here. The article is called: "Am Amazing Event is Coming for Urantia Book Readers (And Maybe the World!)" by Sue Haskell, Paula Thompson, and Albert Einstein Lassiter.

Is there anyone out there who has the Fellowship Herald that just came in the mail last week?

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PS: It's possible that I can scan it and figure out a way to upload it, but not today. I'll try tomorrow.


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Of course, we all know the significance of August 21, but April 8 is also significant, as it is the date that Jesus lay in the tomb - the book calls it the "time of the tomb."


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There's a nice article about this in the latest issue (Summer 2022) Fellowship Herald, the Urantia Fellowship's periodical. Unfortunately, I can't find it online right now, probably because it is too new. But maybe someone out there can figure out a way tp upload it here. The article is called: "Am Amazing Event is Coming for Urantia Book Readers (And Maybe the World!)" by Sue Haskell, Paula Thompson, and Albert Einstein Lassiter.

Is there anyone out there who has the Fellowship Herald that just came in the mail last week?

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PS: It's possible that I can scan it and figure out a way to upload it, but not today. I'll try tomorrow.

Can't wait to read it! :smile:


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Of course, we all know the significance of August 21, but April 8 is also significant, as it is the date that Jesus lay in the tomb - the book calls it the "time of the tomb."

To me, the fact that the eclipse is on April 8th and not April 9th is important because it reminds me of the apostle Paul's argument from Romans 6, in which he talks about the idea that if we were buried with Christ, we will be resurrected with him.

An eclipse turns everything dark for a short time, then the light returns--just like death prior to resurrection.

I'm not trying to argue that some kind of mass resurrection will happen in 2024, or anything like that. I'm talking about the symbolism behind an eclipse that takes place on the same day that Jesus was in the tomb.

The experience of watching this eclipse on April 8, 2024 will be symbolic of entering the tomb with Jesus--an experience that WE MORTALS are having, as the whole world seems to go dark around us. And as light returns with the passing of the eclipse, we are reminded that death cannot hold us anymore than it could hold Jesus.

Please understand that I'm not trying to copy and paste Christianity's interpretation of resurrection and the forgiveness of sin onto The Urantia Book. I am merely pointing out the amazing symbolism that an eclipse can create--an eclipse that takes place on the same day that Jesus was in the tomb.


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Just so you know...Halbert was predicting the Second Coming and sponsored a gathering to witness that "event" at a specific place and time in conjunction with the 2017 eclipse.

Upon that disappointment the 2024 eclipse was the new date for either the Second Coming or Machiventa's physical incarnation. The channelers who made this prediction have been an active cult since the early 80's, portending an endless stream of signs and wonders, adjudications and dispensational events of planetary importance.

Christianity has been cursed by the same superstitions and disappointed expectations for 2000 years...and counting.

The UB has much to say about this very human tendency to embrace the false predictions and hopes for a great intervention and deliverance from our immaturity and impatience, in defiance of the evolutionary and experiential process of planetary progress based on suffering repercussions of freewill.

We have one here who has been preaching and predicting an "imminent" celestial epochal event (also either the Second Coming or Big Mac's incarnation) for a decade now.

It's a curious thing to find here at TruthBook in my own opinion. Most curious indeed.

The source of these predictions is an important thing to consider. But no matter the source or the prediction, the need for signs and wonders and the belief in humans who make such predictions is evidence of our current primitivism, even within the community which shares the Urantia Papers.

To think that Michael would employ those who claim the power to speak to or for the gods and announce their comings and goings is truly to ignore the teachings of the UB I think. What did the Master teach about the human weakness for signs and wonders? And what does the UB say about impatience?

87:5.14 (963.9) It was not merely out of curiosity that the ancients sought to know the future; they wanted to dodge ill luck. Divination was simply an attempt to avoid trouble. During these times, dreams were regarded as prophetic, while everything out of the ordinary was considered an omen. And even today the civilized races are cursed with the belief in signs, tokens, and other superstitious remnants of the advancing ghost cult of old. Slow, very slow, is man to abandon those methods whereby he so gradually and painfully ascended the evolutionary scale of life.

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136:8.5 (1520.6) Jesus was fully aware of the short cuts open to one of his powers. He knew many ways in which the attention of the nation, and the whole world, could be immediately focused upon himself. Soon the Passover would be celebrated at Jerusalem; the city would be thronged with visitors. He could ascend the pinnacle of the temple and before the bewildered multitude walk out on the air; that would be the kind of a Messiah they were looking for. But he would subsequently disappoint them since he had not come to re-establish David’s throne. And he knew the futility of the Caligastia method of trying to get ahead of the natural, slow, and sure way of accomplishing the divine purpose. Again the Son of Man bowed obediently to the Father’s way, the Father’s will.

136:8.6 (1521.1) Jesus chose to establish the kingdom of heaven in the hearts of mankind by natural, ordinary, difficult, and trying methods, just such procedures as his earth children must subsequently follow in their work of enlarging and extending that heavenly kingdom. For well did the Son of Man know that it would be “through much tribulation that many of the children of all ages would enter into the kingdom.” Jesus was now passing through the great test of civilized man, to have power and steadfastly refuse to use it for purely selfish or personal purposes.

136:9.2 (1522.1) The Jews envisaged a deliverer who would come in miraculous power to cast down Israel’s enemies and establish the Jews as world rulers, free from want and oppression. Jesus knew that this hope would never be realized. He knew that the kingdom of heaven had to do with the overthrow of evil in the hearts of men, and that it was purely a matter of spiritual concern. He thought out the advisability of inaugurating the spiritual kingdom with a brilliant and dazzling display of power—and such a course would have been permissible and wholly within the jurisdiction of Michael—but he fully decided against such a plan. He would not compromise with the revolutionary techniques of Caligastia. He had won the world in potential by submission to the Father’s will, and he proposed to finish his work as he had begun it, and as the Son of Man.

136:9.11 (1523.3) Jesus has formulated a program for the establishment of the Father’s kingdom. He will not cater to the physical gratification of the people. He will not deal out bread to the multitudes as he has so recently seen it being done in Rome. He will not attract attention to himself by wonder-working, even though the Jews are expecting just that sort of a deliverer. Neither will he seek to win acceptance of a spiritual message by a show of political authority or temporal power.

136:9.12 (1523.4) In rejecting these methods of enhancing the coming kingdom in the eyes of the expectant Jews, Jesus made sure that these same Jews would certainly and finally reject all of his claims to authority and divinity. Knowing all this, Jesus long sought to prevent his early followers alluding to him as the Messiah.

136:9.13 (1523.5) Throughout his public ministry he was confronted with the necessity of dealing with three constantly recurring situations: the clamor to be fed, the insistence on miracles, and the final request that he allow his followers to make him king. But Jesus never departed from the decisions which he made during these days of his isolation in the Perean hills.

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146:5.2 (1644.4) When this nobleman had located Jesus in Cana, he besought him to hurry over to Capernaum and heal his afflicted son. While the apostles stood by in breathless expectancy, Jesus, looking at the father of the sick boy, said: “How long shall I bear with you? The power of God is in your midst, but except you see signs and behold wonders, you refuse to believe.”....

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150:3.2 (1680.4) Late that evening Jesus gave the united group a memorable talk on “Magic and Superstition.” In those days the appearance of a bright and supposedly new star was regarded as a token indicating that a great man had been born on earth. Such a star having then recently been observed, Andrew asked Jesus if these beliefs were well founded. In the long answer to Andrew’s question the Master entered upon a thoroughgoing discussion of the whole subject of human superstition. The statement which Jesus made at this time may be summarized in modern phraseology as follows:

150:3.3 (1680.5) 1. The courses of the stars in the heavens have nothing whatever to do with the events of human life on earth. Astronomy is a proper pursuit of science, but astrology is a mass of superstitious error which has no place in the gospel of the kingdom.

150:3.4 (1680.6) 2. The examination of the internal organs of an animal recently killed can reveal nothing about weather, future events, or the outcome of human affairs.

150:3.5 (1680.7) 3. The spirits of the dead do not come back to communicate with their families or their onetime friends among the living.

150:3.6 (1681.1) 4. Charms and relics are impotent to heal disease, ward off disaster, or influence evil spirits; the belief in all such material means of influencing the spiritual world is nothing but gross superstition.

150:3.7 (1681.2) 5. Casting lots, while it may be a convenient way of settling many minor difficulties, is not a method designed to disclose the divine will. Such outcomes are purely matters of material chance. The only means of communion with the spiritual world is embraced in the spirit endowment of mankind, the indwelling spirit of the Father, together with the outpoured spirit of the Son and the omnipresent influence of the Infinite Spirit.

150:3.8 (1681.3) 6. Divination, sorcery, and witchcraft are superstitions of ignorant minds, as also are the delusions of magic. The belief in magic numbers, omens of good luck, and harbingers of bad luck, is pure and unfounded superstition.

150:3.9 (1681.4) 7. The interpretation of dreams is largely a superstitious and groundless system of ignorant and fantastic speculation. The gospel of the kingdom must have nothing in common with the soothsayer priests of primitive religion.

150:3.10 (1681.5) 8. The spirits of good or evil cannot dwell within material symbols of clay, wood, or metal; idols are nothing more than the material of which they are made.

150:3.11 (1681.6) 9. The practices of the enchanters, the wizards, the magicians, and the sorcerers, were derived from the superstitions of the Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, and the ancient Canaanites. Amulets and all sorts of incantations are futile either to win the protection of good spirits or to ward off supposed evil spirits.

150:3.12 (1681.7) 10. He exposed and denounced their belief in spells, ordeals, bewitching, cursing, signs, mandrakes, knotted cords, and all other forms of ignorant and enslaving superstition.


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maryjo606 wrote:
There's a nice article about this in the latest issue (Summer 2022) Fellowship Herald, the Urantia Fellowship's periodical. Unfortunately, I can't find it online right now, probably because it is too new. But maybe someone out there can figure out a way tp upload it here. The article is called: "Am Amazing Event is Coming for Urantia Book Readers (And Maybe the World!)" by Sue Haskell, Paula Thompson, and Albert Einstein Lassiter.

Is there anyone out there who has the Fellowship Herald that just came in the mail last week?

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PS: It's possible that I can scan it and figure out a way to upload it, but not today. I'll try tomorrow.


I look forward to the human source of this "Amazing Event" notice. Hmmm.....

And, I wonder, who was the source of the 2017 prediction of that "event"...which did not occur...except for the quite predictable solar eclipse of course.

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I look forward to the human source of this "Amazing Event" notice.


There is no human source of this amazing event. It is an eclipse of the sun.


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Thank You Maryjo for trying to inject some common sense into this.
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Please everyone be reminded that "God is no respecter of persons"
The UB states in various places that there simply is no such thing as SPECIAL People, Places, Numbers etc ....
Many humans apparently still delight in fairy tales and enjoy inventing reasons to gasp and celebrate, seeing pleasant conspiracies behind every shadow. UB Reader-Believers - you should be rising above these things. What's next? A post about Hey! What's your sign?
I feel the same about historical anniversaries. I may passingly and fondly think of Michael in a specific thought, briefly, when August 21st rolls around. Many years I do not single this event out in my mind at all. - And it is of no matter. - "We ought always to pray and keep our minds stayed on God" .... an Every Day Every Where mindset.
I tell you that if Michael were to appear before us and hand us a list of 5,000 specific things he wanted us to get up and go do ..... celebrating the anniversary of his human earthly birthday wouldn't even be on the list.
Life Is Special .... but none of the particulars thereof. Cease the micro-thinking of the little things which distracts you from seeing the Bigger Pictures.


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I think the buzz about this amazing event is simply as a result of the dates and their significance to UBers. It's nothing more or less. Fun to think about, reflect on, etc...

I remember when the 2017 eclipse hppened on Jesus' birthday, we made a special trip to a nice place where we could watch it and hve a time of worship. It was beautiful and meaningful.

And I think that's all JonG was saying...


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maryjo606 wrote:
I think the buzz about this amazing event is simply as a result of the dates and their significance to UBers. It's nothing more or less. Fun to think about, reflect on, etc...

I remember when the 2017 eclipse hppened on Jesus' birthday, we made a special trip to a nice place where we could watch it and hve a time of worship. It was beautiful and meaningful.

And I think that's all JonG was saying...


Hmmmm....

That's not at all what Halbert is promoting or predicting however. Halbert, and others, claim dispensational significance. The 2017 predictions related to the date and location and event failed to materialize, so a new date was invented, as is the modus operandi for the soothsayers among us. Predict it until it happens!!

There are 2-5 solar eclipses every year. The 2017 one was locally spectacular to experience. Amazing? Yes. Significant? No. A sign? Or harbinger?? Nope.

It was not amazing in Australia or Africa or Rio. Neither will the 2024 eclipse be "amazing" or significant because of its date or location.

Clarity here IS significant however.

Thanks to Angels Online for his/her contributions to that!

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I don't think JonG's post was about Halbert, and I don't think we should make this about him here. The topic is the eclipse.


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I am trying to scan the article from the Fellowship but it needs work. I will try later on...


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OK - I think I have done all I can do. These links will take you to my scanned images. I think that from there, you can enlarge the images for easier reading, as the print is kinda small.

BTW, this is an article from The Fellowship Herald (Summer 2022), published by the Urantia Fellowship. https://urantiabook.org/ I suspect that it will eventually be avaialble online, but it is pretty new.

To me, this is a very interesting co-incidence...these eclipses and their dates that are so well-known to us Urantia Book students. I don't personally put a lot of store in signs and wonders, but I do think the timing is ... well, notable, if nothing else. Quite interesting and thought-provoking.

And as this article says, it might be an opportunity to talk about the revelation with people as the time and interest in it draw near.

I was able to see the last one, but I am hundreds of miles from this next one, unfortunately.

Here are the scans:

Pg1: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AimE4A55gHkpgYs2IlEnOD-2DY4FTQ?e=aB55LR

Pg2: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AimE4A55gHkpgYs3QNheYVa7Meyn_g?e=eB8e9y

Pg3: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AimE4A55gHkpgYs4ItCWyaJ4TA62wQ?e=ZG05MZ

Cheers!

PS: Once yu go to the first page, you can hit the arrow in the top right to go to the next page.


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Thought provoking??

Holy Moly!!

Paper 57 dates the timing of modern eclipses as being set one billion years ago. Like a clock's wheels and gears, the motions of moon, planet, and sun has been predictable and has never ever ever had a single iota of connection to any human or celestial activity or event or date or anniversary.

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