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The subject of personal wisdom is an important topic for consideration and study. The UB teaches that there are two distinct forms - Divine or perfect wisdom and experiential or learned wisdom.

I began a topic some years ago titled "Response Ability" where we discussed experiential wisdom from the perspective of learning how better to respond to situations, circumstances, relationships, and choices at the intersections of decision.

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Here I hope to focus more specifically on better personal response-ability as a result of learning personal experiential wisdom. The UB has much to say about the subject. All of time and space is both evolutionary and experiential. Indeed, evolution is a result of and is responsive to experience. Personal, social, planetary, and universal progress are reflective of experiential wisdom. As is the Supreme.

Even the original Trinity and those and that created in perfection and with Divine wisdom enjoys and benefits from experiential wisdom. These complimenting realities of the perfect and the perfecting are intended to create whole new levels of reality and potential in the universe epochs and adventures to come.

Every being in time and space, from the mortals to the Michaels, are experiential and learn and grow wisdom over time by their choices and responses in time. The Creator Sons become Master Sons by experiential wisdom attainment. Tadpoles fuse soul and TA to become eternal by experiential wisdom attainment. All celestials are experiential and progressive and grow in wisdom over time. As is the Supreme.

The entirety of the Paradise journey and sojourn adventure is a continuous campus of university education including situational response and wisdom growth. It is the Adjutant mind spirits of worship and wisdom that first differentiates animal from person and first defines mortals as experiential beings who can learn and choose and remember and adjust and create and express that experience with progressive and intentional results.

Our mind is far more than curious. It seeks understanding and solutions and improvements in outcomes. We seek better methods for better results. Wisdom is that which results from the application of our integrated and coordinated mind functions as delivered by the Adjutant mind spirits.

36:5.12 (402.9) 7. The spirit of wisdom—the inherent tendency of all moral creatures towards orderly and progressive evolutionary advancement. This is the highest of the adjutants, the spirit co-ordinator and articulator of the work of all the others. This spirit is the secret of that inborn urge of mind creatures which initiates and maintains the practical and effective program of the ascending scale of existence; that gift of living things which accounts for their inexplicable ability to survive and, in survival, to utilize the co-ordination of all their past experience and present opportunities for the acquisition of all of everything that all of the other six mental ministers can mobilize in the mind of the organism concerned. Wisdom is the acme of intellectual performance. Wisdom is the goal of a purely mental and moral existence.

Me here: Experiential wisdom is the progressive accumulation and aggregation and integration and application of all prior knowledge and wisdom learned by trial and error, success and failure, victory and disappointment. We adjust our choices and our responses based on prior results which progressively improves outcomes.

There is purely secular and material wisdom related to effective manipulation of the temporal life. True experiential wisdom which brings real progress to the person and society must include the Spirit nature and ministry in mind as well. After all, we are not fully utilizing mind or integrating our entire experience and potential without the Adjutant of worship and the connection to faith and truth assurance.

101:6.4 (1111.8) The evolutionary type of knowledge is but the accumulation of protoplasmic memory material; this is the most primitive form of creature consciousness. Wisdom embraces the ideas formulated from protoplasmic memory in process of association and recombination, and such phenomena differentiate human mind from mere animal mind. Animals have knowledge, but only man possesses wisdom capacity. [color=#FF0000]Truth is made accessible to the wisdom-endowed individual by the bestowal on such a mind of the spirits of the Father and the Sons, the Thought Adjuster and the Spirit of Truth.[/color]

101:6.7 (1112.3) Revelation teaches mortal man that, to start such a magnificent and intriguing adventure through space by means of the progression of time, he should begin by the organization of knowledge into idea-decisions; next, mandate wisdom to labor unremittingly at its noble task of transforming self-possessed ideas into increasingly practical but nonetheless supernal ideals, even those concepts which are so reasonable as ideas and so logical as ideals that the Adjuster dares so to combine and spiritize them as to render them available for such association in the finite mind as will constitute them the actual human complement thus made ready for the action of the Truth Spirit of the Sons, the time-space manifestations of Paradise truth—universal truth. The co-ordination of idea-decisions, logical ideals, and divine truth constitutes the possession of a righteous character, the prerequisite for mortal admission to the ever-expanding and increasingly spiritual realities of the morontia worlds.

31:3.7 (348.4) 3. The glorified mortals of the Paradise Corps of Finality are ascendant beings in possession of experiential knowledge of every step of the actuality and philosophy of the fullest possible life of intelligent existence, while during the ages of this ascent from the lowest material worlds to the spiritual heights of Paradise, these surviving creatures have been trained to the limits of their capacity respecting every detail of every divine principle of the just and efficient, as well as merciful and patient, administration of all the universal creation of time and space.

Me here: Even Deity grows and benefits by experiential wisdom attainment. Read Paper 106! The Trinity of Trinities is creating new universe realities with experiential Deity.

106:8.13 (1171.6) THE SECOND LEVEL: The co-ordination of the three Trinities inevitably involves the associative union of the experiential Deities, who are genetically associated with these Trinities. The nature of this second level has been sometimes presented as:

106:8.14 (1171.7) 1. The Supreme. This is the deity consequence of the unity of the Paradise Trinity in experiential liaison with the Creator-Creative children of the Paradise Deities. The Supreme is the deity embodiment of the completion of the first stage of finite evolution.

106:8.15 (1171.8) 2. The Ultimate. This is the deity consequence of the eventuated unity of the second Trinity, the transcendental and absonite personification of divinity. The Ultimate consists in a variably regarded unity of many qualities, and the human conception thereof would do well to include at least those phases of ultimacy which are control directing, personally experiencible, and tensionally unifying, but there are many other unrevealed aspects of the eventuated Deity. While the Ultimate and the Supreme are comparable, they are not identical, neither is the Ultimate merely an amplification of the Supreme.

106:8.16 (1172.1) 3. The Absolute. There are many theories held as to the character of the third member of the second level of the Trinity of Trinities. God the Absolute is undoubtedly involved in this association as the personality consequence of the final function of the Trinity Absolute, yet the Deity Absolute is an existential reality of eternity status.

0:2.15 (4.9) 4. God the Supreme—the actualizing or evolving God of time and space. Personal Deity associatively realizing the time-space experiential achievement of creature-Creator identity. The Supreme Being is personally experiencing the achievement of Deity unity as the evolving and experiential God of the evolutionary creatures of time and space.

0:2.16 (4.10) 5. God the Sevenfold—Deity personality anywhere actually functioning in time and space. The personal Paradise Deities and their creative associates functioning in and beyond the borders of the central universe and power-personalizing as the Supreme Being on the first creature level of unifying Deity revelation in time and space. This level, the grand universe, is the sphere of the time-space descension of Paradise personalities in reciprocal association with the time-space ascension of evolutionary creatures.

0:2.17 (4.11) 6. God the Ultimate—the eventuating God of supertime and transcended space. The second experiential level of unifying Deity manifestation. God the Ultimate implies the attained realization of the synthesized absonite-superpersonal, time-space-transcended, and eventuated-experiential values, co-ordinated on final creative levels of Deity reality.

0:2.18 (4.12) 7. God the Absolute—the experientializing God of transcended superpersonal values and divinity meanings, now existential as the Deity Absolute. This is the third level of unifying Deity expression and expansion. On this supercreative level, Deity experiences exhaustion of personalizable potential, encounters completion of divinity, and undergoes depletion of capacity for self-revelation to successive and progressive levels of other-personalization. Deity now encounters, impinges upon, and experiences identity with, the Unqualified Absolute.



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It's a fine service you do Fan! Your selection of quotes and personal reflections illuminates a subject important to me and related to the topic of Self Knowledge. Thanks!
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I see Experiencial Wisdom of the Supreme Being really more of a bestowal, an innate or intuitive aspect of that Creature's own personality: an acquirement, a realisation via experience, rather than "something learned".

As were all other adjutant mind spirits, bestowed upon the life inherent in the mind of the creature, the learning or adaptations may be considered demonstrations, acts which factualise the first five adjutant mind spirits in the life of the creature-experience, but the wisdom-acquirement of the creature-experience cannot be demonstrated, except through finality attainment, or the pursuit thereof.

Since the experience of worship, as I understand, is only inwardly affirmable, I believe that the existential acquirement of wisdom in the creature-experience, should also be regarded as "a personal and private observation". And who claims to have wisdom as an acquirement of the creature-experience, must therefore offer be required to offer wisdom to all other Beings - an inordinate goal of overmuch tribulation in the experience of the human individual.

The wisdom of Jesus, as a unified experiencial personality, is demonstrated through three men, not one:
182:2.10 David had arranged to stand guard that night on the upper trail which led to the Bethany-Jerusalem road, while John Mark was to watch along the road coming up by the Kidron to Gethsemane. Before David went to his self-imposed task of outpost duty, he bade farewell to Jesus, saying: “Master, I have had great joy in my service with you. My brothers are your apostles, but I have delighted to do the lesser things as they should be done, and I shall miss you with all my heart when you are gone.” And then said Jesus to David: “David, my son, others have done that which they were directed to do, but this service have you done of your own heart, and I have not been unmindful of your devotion. You, too, shall some day serve with me in the eternal kingdom.” (i.e. "you, too": both David Zebedee and John Mark)

And this makes it forever possible to recognise (knowledge) Jesus as a father within the experiencial realms of time throughout Nebadon. In another sense, during the lifetime of Jesus, Immanuel, Gabriel, and Father Melchizedek maintained Michael's rulership of Nebadon in the stead of Michael's absence.

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Experiencial acquirements of wisdom, when real, are contained by our Father Fragments, individually. They become "an eternal counterpart", prepared in the form of "a transcript", held by faith and in tact by the awaiting Adjuster for the creature of time. As such, wisdom reflects man's potentially eternal nature, One in Being with the Father, and in my opinion cannot be quantified or actually learned. Thank you.

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It's a fine service you do Fan! Your selection of quotes and personal reflections illuminates a subject important to me and related to the topic of Self Knowledge. Thanks!


I think wisdom, self knowledge, objectivity, and spirituality all progress concurrently if not uniformly for mortals. Wisdom reflects progress and is acquired and learned by experience according to the Papers.

112:2.15 (1229.2) The purpose of cosmic evolution is to achieve unity of personality through increasing spirit dominance, volitional response to the teaching and leading of the Thought Adjuster. Personality, both human and superhuman, is characterized by an inherent cosmic quality which may be called “the evolution of dominance,” the expansion of the control of both itself and its environment.

112:2.16 (1229.3) An ascending onetime human personality passes through two great phases of increasing volitional dominance over the self and in the universe:

112:2.17 (1229.4) 1. The prefinaliter or God-seeking experience of augmenting the self-realization through a technique of identity expansion and actualization together with cosmic problem solving and consequent universe mastery.

112:2.18 (1229.5) 2. The postfinaliter or God-revealing experience of the creative expansion of self-realization through revealing the Supreme Being of experience to the God-seeking intelligences who have not yet attained the divine levels of Godlikeness.

112:2.19 (1229.6) Descending personalities attain analogous experiences through their various universe adventures as they seek for enlarged capacity for ascertaining and executing the divine wills of the Supreme, Ultimate, and Absolute Deities.

112:2.20 (1229.7) The material self, the ego-entity of human identity, is dependent during the physical life on the continuing function of the material life vehicle, on the continued existence of the unbalanced equilibrium of energies and intellect which, on Urantia, has been given the name life. But selfhood of survival value, selfhood that can transcend the experience of death, is only evolved by establishing a potential transfer of the seat of the identity of the evolving personality from the transient life vehicle—the material body—to the more enduring and immortal nature of the morontia soul and on beyond to those levels whereon the soul becomes infused with, and eventually attains the status of, spirit reality. This actual transfer from material association to morontia identification is effected by the sincerity, persistence, and steadfastness of the God-seeking decisions of the human creature.


Me here: Wisdom is readily quantified and also measured by its quality by those charged with such discernment and measurement in the ascender's educational progression.

1.2 (82.1) This gravity control of spiritual things operates independently of time and space; therefore is spirit energy undiminished in transmission. Spirit gravity never suffers time delays, nor does it undergo space diminution. It does not decrease in accordance with the square of the distance of its transmission; the circuits of pure spirit power are not retarded by the mass of the material creation. And this transcendence of time and space by pure spirit energies is inherent in the absoluteness of the Son; it is not due to the interposition of the antigravity forces of the Third Source and Center.

7:1.3 (82.2) Spirit realities respond to the drawing power of the center of spiritual gravity in accordance with their qualitative value, their actual degree of spirit nature. Spirit substance (quality) is just as responsive to spirit gravity as the organized energy of physical matter (quantity) is responsive to physical gravity. Spiritual values and spirit forces are real. From the viewpoint of personality, spirit is the soul of creation; matter is the shadowy physical body.

7:1.4 (82.3) The reactions and fluctuations of spirit gravity are ever true to the content of spiritual values, the qualitative spiritual status of an individual or a world. This drawing power is instantly responsive to the inter- and intraspirit values of any universe situation or planetary condition. Every time a spiritual reality actualizes in the universes, this change necessitates the immediate and instantaneous readjustment of spirit gravity. Such a new spirit is actually a part of the Second Source and Center; and just as certainly as mortal man becomes a spiritized being, he will attain the spiritual Son, the center and source of spirit gravity.




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Experiencial acquirements of wisdom, when real, are contained by our Father Fragments, individually. They become "an eternal counterpart", prepared in the form of "a transcript", held by faith and in tact by the awaiting Adjuster for the creature of time. As such, wisdom reflects man's potentially eternal nature, One in Being with the Father, and in my opinion cannot be quantified or actually learned. Thank you.


Stephen...the text is clear that wisdom is an experiential acquirement for all the mortals, celestials, and Deity of time!! The Supreme is likewise experiential. Please do not contradict the text here. And please post text which supports your claims. For example, you contradict the text by claiming wisdom is not learned or experiential but post nothing, nothing at all to support such a false claim. Thank you.

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Wisdom is readily quantified and also measured by its quality by those charged with such discernment and measurement in the ascender's educational progression.


Would you mind expounding on this? I don't see a connection to the references you cited. Are you saying that wisdom responds to spirit gravity?
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Wisdom is readily quantified and also measured by its quality by those charged with such discernment and measurement in the ascender's educational progression.


Would you mind expounding on this? I don't see a connection to the references you cited. Are you saying that wisdom responds to spirit gravity?


Don't mind at all. Will take me a little time. I am so glad you asked!!

There can be no spirit to respond to spirit gravity without wisdom. Wisdom cannot be extricated from religious experience whenever there is religious experience. Or so I understand the teachings of the Revelation.

Ascenders are progress-measured so many ways by so many different celestial and spirit agents and agencies from the Adjuster to the Mansion Worlds regarding Mota (wisdom) to every level of educational level in the Superuniverse. Lots of examples to post. Experiential wisdom is a huge educational pursuit of mortals all the way to Paradise.

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45:7.6 (518.2) Suffrage is universal on Jerusem among these three groups of citizenship, but the vote is differentially cast in accordance with the recognized and duly registered personal possession of mota—morontia wisdom. The vote cast at a Jerusem election by any one personality has a value ranging from one up to one thousand. Jerusem citizens are thus classified in accordance with their mota achievement.

45:7.7 (518.3) From time to time Jerusem citizens present themselves to the Melchizedek examiners, who certify to their attainment of morontia wisdom. Then they go before the examining corps of the Brilliant Evening Stars or their designates, who ascertain the degree of spirit insight. Next they appear in the presence of the four and twenty counselors and their associates, who pass upon their status of experiential attainment of socialization. These three factors are then carried to the citizenship registrars of representative government, who quickly compute the mota status and assign suffrage qualifications in accordance therewith.

45:7.8 (518.4) Under the supervision of the Melchizedeks the ascending mortals, especially those who are tardy in their personality unification on the new morontia levels, are taken in hand by the Material Sons and are given intensive training designed to rectify such deficiencies. No ascending mortal leaves the system headquarters for the more extensive and varied socialization career of the constellation until these Material Sons certify to the achievement of mota personality—an individuality combining the completed mortal existence in experiential association with the budding morontia career, both being duly blended by the spiritual overcontrol of the Thought Adjuster.

47:5.3.....The training of the first two mansion worlds is mostly of a deficiency nature—negative—in that it has to do with supplementing the experience of the life in the flesh. On this third mansion world the survivors really begin their progressive morontia culture. The chief purpose of this training is to enhance the understanding of the correlation of morontia mota and mortal logic, the co-ordination of morontia mota and human philosophy. ...

48:7.1 (556.1) The lower planes of morontia mota join directly with the higher levels of human philosophy. On the first mansion world it is the practice to teach the less advanced students by the parallel technique; that is, in one column are presented the more simple concepts of mota meanings, and in the opposite column citation is made of analogous statements of mortal philosophy.

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During the material life of mortals, faith experience itself is considered wisdom. As I say above, wisdom and spirituality are not the same...but they are related and spiritual progress certainly leads to growth of wisdom. Wisdom is directly linked to truth and faith and our spiritual growth and is therefore part of that which responds to the mind and spirit gravity circuits. Or so I understand.

102:1.2 (1119.1) The reason of science is based on the observable facts of time; the faith of religion argues from the spirit program of eternity. What knowledge and reason cannot do for us, true wisdom admonishes us to allow faith to accomplish through religious insight and spiritual transformation.

103:9.6 (1141.4) When theology masters religion, religion dies; it becomes a doctrine instead of a life. The mission of theology is merely to facilitate the self-consciousness of personal spiritual experience. Theology constitutes the religious effort to define, clarify, expound, and justify the experiential claims of religion, which, in the last analysis, can be validated only by living faith. In the higher philosophy of the universe, wisdom, like reason, becomes allied to faith. Reason, wisdom, and faith are man’s highest human attainments. Reason introduces man to the world of facts, to things; wisdom introduces him to a world of truth, to relationships; faith initiates him into a world of divinity, spiritual experience.

103:9.7 (1141.5) Faith most willingly carries reason along as far as reason can go and then goes on with wisdom to the full philosophic limit; and then it dares to launch out upon the limitless and never-ending universe journey in the sole company of TRUTH.

103:9.8 (1141.6) Science (knowledge) is founded on the inherent (adjutant spirit) assumption that reason is valid, that the universe can be comprehended. Philosophy (co-ordinate comprehension) is founded on the inherent (spirit of wisdom) assumption that wisdom is valid, that the material universe can be co-ordinated with the spiritual. Religion (the truth of personal spiritual experience) is founded on the inherent (Thought Adjuster) assumption that faith is valid, that God can be known and attained.

103:9.9 (1141.7) The full realization of the reality of mortal life consists in a progressive willingness to believe these assumptions of reason, wisdom, and faith. Such a life is one motivated by truth and dominated by love; and these are the ideals of objective cosmic reality whose existence cannot be materially demonstrated.

103:9.10 (1142.1) When reason once recognizes right and wrong, it exhibits wisdom; when wisdom chooses between right and wrong, truth and error, it demonstrates spirit leading. And thus are the functions of mind, soul, and spirit ever closely united and functionally interassociated. Reason deals with factual knowledge; wisdom, with philosophy and revelation;  faith, with living spiritual experience. Through truth man attains beauty and by spiritual love ascends to goodness.


131:4.5 (1448.4) “We have learned to win faith by the yearning of our hearts. We have attained wisdom by the restraint of our senses, and by wisdom we have experienced peace in the Supreme. He who is full of faith worships truly when his inner self is intent upon God. .....

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I see Experiencial Wisdom of the Supreme Being really more of a bestowal, an innate or intuitive aspect of that Creature's own personality: an acquirement, a realisation via experience, rather than "something learned".

As were all other adjutant mind spirits, bestowed upon the life inherent in the mind of the creature, the learning or adaptations may be considered demonstrations, acts which factualise the first five adjutant mind spirits in the life of the creature-experience, but the wisdom-acquirement of the creature-experience cannot be demonstrated, except through finality attainment, or the pursuit thereof.

Since the experience of worship, as I understand, is only inwardly affirmable, I believe that the existential acquirement of wisdom in the creature-experience, should also be regarded as "a personal and private observation". And who claims to have wisdom as an acquirement of the creature-experience, must therefore offer be required to offer wisdom to all other Beings - an inordinate goal of overmuch tribulation in the experience of the human individual.


Please provide supporting text soon. It is a direct self contradiction to proclaim that experiential wisdom is a bestowal. An obvious oxymoron. Which is it? For it cannot be both. You then immediately contradict yourself by saying that the wisdom of the Supreme is an acquirement realized via experience. And then contradict yourself a third time in one paragraph by claiming that wisdom by the acquirement of experience is not "something learned". Say what!!!???

You appear to be arguing with and contradicting yourself...and ignoring the UB teachings. You then claim wisdom cannot be demonstrated, again in defiance of text already posted (and more still to come)...and still no references offered.

Please stop with the existential thing here...there's another topic open for your false claims related to that. Suffice it to say here that mortal experiential wisdom attainment is NOT "an existential acquirement"...yet another oxymoronic claim.

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Stephen...please accept this fair warning...I will not tolerate your endless posts of beliefs, opinions, and declarations here which contradict the UB...unless and until you post text which directly supports your claims. Otherwise I will consider your posts unwelcome, intrusive, and intentionally disruptive.

I do not mean to be harsh or impatient with you Stephen, but your beliefs and opinions are only your beliefs and opinions until you offer text in their support. So far here your beliefs and opinions directly contradict the Revelation. They also appear to be self canceling and self contradictory to themselves.

We are here to learn what the UB teaches and not to entertain beliefs and opinions which contradict the UB. If you wish to discover, study, share, and discuss the topic as presented in the Papers you are welcome to do so. Otherwise please restrain yourself....here at least. Thank you.

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Obviously, according to the Papers, wisdom and spirituality and religious experience are inherently connected and progress in near lockstep.

Eventually, I wonder if there is even any difference in wisdom and spirituality.

Early in the ascender's career and education wisdom unifies and harmonizes the dual nature perception of reality. But as we are spiritized and gain objectivity what is the nature then of experiential wisdom?

Ultimately and eventually, what's the difference between Divine wisdom and experiential wisdom? When we achieve pure spirit insight, what then does wisdom become? Only a bridge to such certainty of understanding? Or something more?

Will experiential wisdom ever equal Divine and perfect wisdom? IMO, there will always be a difference even if I cannot now describe that difference. But I think experiential wisdom is desirable and functional and helpful to Deity which enjoys Divine wisdom.

101:5.12 (1111.2) Evolved religion rests wholly on faith. Revelation has the additional assurance of its expanded presentation of the truths of divinity and reality and the still more valuable testimony of the actual experience which accumulates in consequence of the practical working union of the faith of evolution and the truth of revelation. Such a working union of human faith and divine truth constitutes the possession of a character well on the road to the actual acquirement of a morontial personality.

101:5.13 (1111.3) Evolutionary religion provides only the assurance of faith and the confirmation of conscience; revelatory religion provides the assurance of faith plus the truth of a living experience in the realities of revelation. The third step in religion, or the third phase of the experience of religion, has to do with the morontia state, the firmer grasp of mota. Increasingly in the morontia progression the truths of revealed religion are expanded; more and more you will know the truth of supreme values, divine goodnesses, universal relationships, eternal realities, and ultimate destinies.

101:5.14 (1111.4) Increasingly throughout the morontia progression the assurance of truth replaces the assurance of faith. When you are finally mustered into the actual spirit world, then will the assurances of pure spirit insight operate in the place of faith and truth or, rather, in conjunction with, and superimposed upon, these former techniques of personality assurance.

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Wisdom

NOUN

the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.

synonyms:

sagacity · sageness · intelligence · understanding · insight · perception · perceptiveness · percipience · penetration · perspicuity · acuity · discernment · sense · good sense · common sense · shrewdness · astuteness · acumen · smartness · judiciousness · judgment · foresight · clear-sightedness · prudence · circumspection · logic · rationale · rationality · soundness · saneness · advisability · sharpness · savvy · smarts · sapience · arguteness

the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, and good judgment.

synonyms:

sagacity · sageness · intelligence · understanding · insight · perception · perceptiveness · percipience · penetration · perspicuity · acuity · discernment · sense · good sense · common sense · shrewdness · astuteness · acumen · smartness · judiciousness · judgment · foresight · clear-sightedness · prudence · circumspection · logic · rationale · rationality · soundness · saneness · advisability · sharpness · savvy · smarts · sapience · arguteness

the body of knowledge and principles that develops within a specified society or period.

synonyms:

knowledge · learning · erudition · scholarship · philosophy · lore

Me here: Like enlightment, for all experiential beings wisdom is not a totality or absolute. We may only be relatively enlightened or wise or more or less so but not completely so. This the essence of being experiential...we are perfecting by gaining knowledge, experience, wisdom, and enlightening over time.

Error is part of learning. But so is awareness of the likelihood of probable outcomes...predicting reciprocal effects and repercussions...the realization that effects follow causes and every choice made is a cause....with effects. 

Wisdom is a growing experiential understanding of the probabilities of different effects by different causes or by our decions, choices, and actions. But wisdom is far more. Every choice and act has multiple options to consider related to strategy, tactics, and timing!! Which is the better strategy? Better tactic? Better timing? 3 constant elements and each with multiple options and endless combinations each with a different outcome and effect-sequence!! 

Jesus was a master at 'seeing' the long term effect-sequence of his choices, actions, and responses in every situation and circumstance. He was a chess master...strategy, tactic, and timing...always applied with a pure heart and sincerity of motive and purpose. 

Such wisdom is experiential and learned in time by self...it is not a gift from any other source but is earned by experience. We may receive inspiration and insight but we only receive confirmation I think of truth realized and wisdom earned.

48:7.14 (556.14) 12. The greatest affliction of the cosmos is never to have been afflicted. Mortals only learn wisdom by experiencing tribulation.

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Please consider the relationship of decisions to wisdom and wisdom to self mastery and self knowledge or self realization. For the realization of self is the realization of potential by experiential wisdom....or so I understand.

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... &op=Search

Here's a link to the discussion/topic on "Self Knowledge":

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5669

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fanofVan wrote:
There can be no spirit to respond to spirit gravity without wisdom. Wisdom cannot be extricated from religious experience whenever there is religious experience. Or so I understand the teachings of the Revelation.


What is the difference between worldly wisdom and the wisdom involved in religious experience? Isn't there a form of wisdom not involved in religious experience, the wisdom of the world? Is the wisdom of the world a valid form of wisdom? What is the difference between experiential wisdom and spiritual wisdom? All the references you cited are about mota, something we don't have access to until the next life. What about the wisdom of this life? What about the adjutant of wisdom, what role does it play in experiential wisdom and spiritual wisdom?
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fanofVan wrote:
During the material life of mortals, faith experience itself is considered wisdom.


Are you saying that faith and wisdom are the same thing? Or are you saying that wisdom leads to faith?

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As I say above, wisdom and spirituality are not the same...but they are related and spiritual progress certainly leads to growth of wisdom.


Or does the growth of wisdom lead to spiritual progress? In practice I actually think it's rather circular since wisdom grows out of the trials and errors of experience forcing man to search for better ways to solve those trials.

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Wisdom is directly linked to truth and faith and our spiritual growth and is therefore part of that which responds to the mind and spirit gravity circuits. Or so I understand.


The "aroused and quickened" mind is the gateway to the soul where truth resides. What do you suppose is meant by the "aroused and quickened" mind, and do the adjutants of worship and wisdom play a role in that arousal and quickening, the focusing of intellectual attention. Does the appeal to the emotions stimulate the moral duty? What role does wisdom play within the intellect in order to allow the "gateway" to be opened?

(1705.4) 152:6.4 Jesus taught the appeal to the emotions as the technique of arresting and focusing the intellectual attention. He designated the mind thus aroused and quickened as the gateway to the soul, where there resides that spiritual nature of man which must recognize truth and respond to the spiritual appeal of the gospel in order to afford the permanent results of true character transformations.
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