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One of the greatest of all the many assurances found in the Papers is the reality that ALL suffering by ALL beings is temporal. Another is that those souls who suffer the most and overcome their suffering by hope and faith become the greatest of all mercy ministers with the most enlightened experiential wisdom.

The entire universe, and even Deity, benefit by such souls.

Assurance is important to all creatures - high and low - and operates on many levels of reality. From the mortal perspective on a primitive world, it can be very difficult to "see" and "know" that everything will work out for the better and that Divine Providence and God's will prevails. But that is the very assurance even mortals might attain with sufficient faith and the vision that comes from the believer's perspective. Even in the throes of mortal suffering and the consequences of evil and sin, still can the believer have assurance of our own and our world's destiny!

48:4.7 [Part II]

3. Prophetic joy. It will perhaps be difficult for mortals to envisage this phase of humor, but we do get a peculiar satisfaction out of the assurance "that all things work together for good" — for spirits and morontians as well as for mortals. This aspect of celestial humor grows out of our faith in the loving overcare of our superiors and in the divine stability of our Supreme Directors.

54:6.4 [Part II]

But one thing should be made clear: If you are made to suffer the evil consequences of the sin of some member of your family, some fellow citizen or fellow mortal, even rebellion in the system or elsewhere — no matter what you may have to endure because of the wrongdoing of your associates, fellows, or superiors — you may rest secure in the eternal assurance that such tribulations are transient afflictions. None of these fraternal consequences of misbehavior in the group can ever jeopardize your eternal prospects or in the least degree deprive you of your divine right of Paradise ascension and God attainment.

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Having taken a few days off to absorb the information here and do some self reflection, i did come to a conclusion that i was overly harsh here. I saw and see the world through my own misery and despair, and i admit being wrong here. Thanks for Van for being patient with me. I do not know if i ever can see the world in a positive light, but at least i can admit that my view of the world is negatively biased. Being in despair and misery all the time does take a toll, and eventually you stop seeing the positive and good in the world, and you only see the suffering and bad, this biased viewing of the world is something i can try to change at the very least. Anyway, i do apologize for my negativity on this topic. I try to do better in the future.


It is important to understand how our reality perspective is distorted by our personal and subjective experience, knowledge, wisdom, preconceptions, misconceptions, and our emotional state of being. The UB teaches that we lose subjectivity and gain objectivity slowly in time and by gains in knowledge and understanding and experiential wisdom and spiritization.

But before we can even begin to address and correct our distorted perspective, we must first acknowledge that we, like all evolutionary and experiential ascenders, suffer from such bias and distorted reality perspective (as you have so courageously done so above!). The Urantia Papers teach that our ignorance and prejudice are our greatest obstacles to spiritual progress and enlightened wisdom!!!

An old Zen saying is that things are not at they appear... and neither are they different! Things will never "appear" differently to us until our perspective changes by greater knowledge, insight, understanding, experience, and wisdom. Then things will "appear" different. And yet things will still not be as they appear.

Probably, things ARE as they appear only to God. All other personalities suffer, to some degree, experiential limits and bias in our/their reality perspective.

The UB lists several mind and spirit poisons which offer even greater distortions to our personal reality perspective.

Nothing distorts our reality perspective more than or worse than anxiety, fear, anger, blame, resentments, suspicion, impatience, and intolerance.

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110:1.5 (1204.3) The Adjuster remains with you in all disaster and through every sickness which does not wholly destroy the mentality. But how unkind knowingly to defile or otherwise deliberately to pollute the physical body, which must serve as the earthly tabernacle of this marvelous gift from God. All physical poisons greatly retard the efforts of the Adjuster to exalt the material mind, while the mental poisons of fear, anger, envy, jealousy, suspicion, and intolerance likewise tremendously interfere with the spiritual progress of the evolving soul.

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Of the 7+ billion souls on Urantia, it truly is quite easy and simple to find endless examples of truth, beauty, goodness, kindness, forgiveness, mercy, generosity, duty, loyalty, idealism, hope, faith, and love. Such inspiration surrounds us. They're everywhere. Everyday. All day long.

The number of volunteer service hours and money donated to righteous causes has never been so great around the planet, and has been measurably increasing, decade after decade, for over the past century. By the wealthy, the working class, the poor, and even those in crisis, suffering desperate circumstances and personal deprivation.

It's incredible to see the changes and planetary evolutionary progress since the printing press, and industrialization, and the ages of electricity and radio and digitization and global travel and computerization and space exploration and wireless communication and personal access to the world's collective knowledge, etc., etc., etc.

We may choose to turn a blind eye to such stupendous progress and its likely, even inevitable, trajectories of epochal transformation. We may choose to embrace anxiety... or we may choose to have faith in God's goodness and power and plan, and the friendly universe of eternal adventures and progress.

We choose our perspective of universe reality.

Let us choose wisely!!

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100:7.7 (1102.4) Of Jesus it was truly said, “He trusted God.” As a man among men he most sublimely trusted the Father in heaven. He trusted his Father as a little child trusts his earthly parent. His faith was perfect but never presumptuous. No matter how cruel nature might appear to be or how indifferent to man’s welfare on earth, Jesus never faltered in his faith. He was immune to disappointment and impervious to persecution. He was untouched by apparent failure.

100:7.8 (1102.5) He loved men as brothers, at the same time recognizing how they differed in innate endowments and acquired qualities. “He went about doing good.”

100:7.9 (1102.6) Jesus was an unusually cheerful person, but he was not a blind and unreasoning optimist. His constant word of exhortation was, "Be of good cheer.” He could maintain this confident attitude because of his unswerving trust in God and his unshakable confidence in man. He was always touchingly considerate of all men because he loved them and believed in them. Still he was always true to his convictions and magnificently firm in his devotion to the doing of his Father’s will.

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Don't get me wrong. I do see the beauty and the goodness of the world as well. There lies the problem though, in my mind that's all there should be. Evil and suffering should not exist, not even in the physical realm such as Urantia. It's pretty hard not to be consumed by anger when you hear about raped and murdered kids, and children who are being blown to pieces by missiles, and then see their parents driven mad by grief. Would you say the same to them what you have said to be me? Don't be angry or fearful, be happy and merry, all is good? Who cares that your child was blown to pieces or was butchered by maniac, Urantia Book says everything is just fine, don't worry, stop being so negative, see the big picture! Is that how we should approach things? I cannot, and i will not do that. Good for you if you can.


Hmmmm....

So...what causes suffering? What is evil? Why are there evil and suffering?

We are evolutionary and experiential ascenders whereby our perfecting, individually and collectively, requires time and experience and learning and gaining wisdom BY our freewill choices.

The only alternative to error (evil) and suffering the repercussions of error is no freewill. We would have to be robotic automatons or created perfect as Divine Beings.

This is not God's way or will. I am sure it is not intentionally so, but your words posted here directly criticize God's evolutionary creation and the bestowal of personality, individuality, freewill, selfhood, and self determination as describedin the Papers. Might that be worse than the temporal consequences and suffering the repercussions of freewill and experiential wisdom, which is so highly prized in the universe of universes?

All suffering is temporary... all of it. Our own suffering is an opportunity to discern its cause and transcend the errors and immaturity and inexperience and self importance which are the principal causes of our suffering. The suffering of others is an opportunity for compassion and generosity and kindness and loving service.

Our lack of understanding and faith is our challenge as much as understanding suffering and reducing the suffering of others as well as our own.

Or so I understand the Papers to teach.

I wonder...have you read Papers 52 and 55? Very enlightening and encouraging!

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2:2.5 (36.3) God’s primal perfection consists not in an assumed righteousness but rather in the inherent perfection of the goodness of his divine nature. He is final, complete, and perfect. There is no thing lacking in the beauty and perfection of his righteous character. And the whole scheme of living existences on the worlds of space is centered in the divine purpose of elevating all will creatures to the high destiny of the experience of sharing the Father’s Paradise perfection. God is neither self-centered nor self-contained; he never ceases to bestow himself upon all self-conscious creatures of the vast universe of universes.

2:2.6 (36.4) God is eternally and infinitely perfect, he cannot personally know imperfection as his own experience, but he does share the consciousness of all the experience of imperfectness of all the struggling creatures of the evolutionary universes of all the Paradise Creator Sons. The personal and liberating touch of the God of perfection overshadows the hearts and encircuits the natures of all those mortal creatures who have ascended to the universe level of moral discernment. In this manner, as well as through the contacts of the divine presence, the Universal Father actually participates in the experience with immaturity and imperfection in the evolving career of every moral being of the entire universe.

2:2.7 (36.5) Human limitations, potential evil, are not a part of the divine nature, but mortal experience with evil and all man’s relations thereto are most certainly a part of God’s ever-expanding self-realization in the children of time—creatures of moral responsibility who have been created or evolved by every Creator Son going out from Paradise.

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Consider:

3:5.5 (51.4) The uncertainties of life and the vicissitudes of existence do not in any manner contradict the concept of the universal sovereignty of God. All evolutionary creature life is beset by certain inevitabilities. Consider the following:

3:5.6 (51.5) 1. Is courage—strength of character—desirable? Then must man be reared in an environment which necessitates grappling with hardships and reacting to disappointments.

3:5.7 (51.6) 2. Is altruism—service of one’s fellows—desirable? Then must life experience provide for encountering situations of social inequality.

3:5.8 (51.7) 3. Is hope—the grandeur of trust—desirable? Then human existence must constantly be confronted with insecurities and recurrent uncertainties.

3:5.9 (51.8) 4. Is faith—the supreme assertion of human thought—desirable? Then must the mind of man find itself in that troublesome predicament where it ever knows less than it can believe.

3:5.10 (51.9) 5. Is the love of truth and the willingness to go wherever it leads, desirable? Then must man grow up in a world where error is present and falsehood always possible.

3:5.11 (51.10) 6. Is idealism—the approaching concept of the divine—desirable? Then must man struggle in an environment of relative goodness and beauty, surroundings stimulative of the irrepressible reach for better things.

3:5.12 (51.11) 7. Is loyalty—devotion to highest duty—desirable? Then must man carry on amid the possibilities of betrayal and desertion. The valor of devotion to duty consists in the implied danger of default.

3:5.13 (51.12) 8. Is unselfishness—the spirit of self-forgetfulness—desirable? Then must mortal man live face to face with the incessant clamoring of an inescapable self for recognition and honor. Man could not dynamically choose the divine life if there were no self-life to forsake. Man could never lay saving hold on righteousness if there were no potential evil to exalt and differentiate the good by contrast.

3:5.14 (51.13) 9. Is pleasure—the satisfaction of happiness—desirable? Then must man live in a world where the alternative of pain and the likelihood of suffering are ever-present experiential possibilities.

3:5.15 (52.1) Throughout the universe, every unit is regarded as a part of the whole. Survival of the part is dependent on co-operation with the plan and purpose of the whole, the wholehearted desire and perfect willingness to do the Father’s divine will. The only evolutionary world without error (the possibility of unwise judgment) would be a world without free intelligence. In the Havona universe there are a billion perfect worlds with their perfect inhabitants, but evolving man must be fallible if he is to be free. Free and inexperienced intelligence cannot possibly at first be uniformly wise. The possibility of mistaken judgment (evil) becomes sin only when the human will consciously endorses and knowingly embraces a deliberate immoral judgment.

3:5.16 (52.2) The full appreciation of truth, beauty, and goodness is inherent in the perfection of the divine universe. The inhabitants of the Havona worlds do not require the potential of relative value levels as a choice stimulus; such perfect beings are able to identify and choose the good in the absence of all contrastive and thought-compelling moral situations. But all such perfect beings are, in moral nature and spiritual status, what they are by virtue of the fact of existence. They have experientially earned advancement only within their inherent status. Mortal man earns even his status as an ascension candidate by his own faith and hope. Everything divine which the human mind grasps and the human soul acquires is an experiential attainment; it is a reality of personal experience and is therefore a unique possession in contrast to the inherent goodness and righteousness of the inerrant personalities of Havona.

3:5.17 (52.3) The creatures of Havona are naturally brave, but they are not courageous in the human sense. They are innately kind and considerate, but hardly altruistic in the human way. They are expectant of a pleasant future, but not hopeful in the exquisite manner of the trusting mortal of the uncertain evolutionary spheres. They have faith in the stability of the universe, but they are utter strangers to that saving faith whereby mortal man climbs from the status of an animal up to the portals of Paradise. They love the truth, but they know nothing of its soul-saving qualities. They are idealists, but they were born that way; they are wholly ignorant of the ecstasy of becoming such by exhilarating choice. They are loyal, but they have never experienced the thrill of wholehearted and intelligent devotion to duty in the face of temptation to default. They are unselfish, but they never gained such levels of experience by the magnificent conquest of a belligerent self. They enjoy pleasure, but they do not comprehend the sweetness of the pleasure escape from the pain potential.

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54:0.1 (613.1) EVOLUTIONARY man finds it difficult fully to comprehend the significance and to grasp the meanings of evil, error, sin, and iniquity. Man is slow to perceive that contrastive perfection and imperfection produce potential evil; that conflicting truth and falsehood create confusing error; that the divine endowment of freewill choice eventuates in the divergent realms of sin and righteousness; that the persistent pursuit of divinity leads to the kingdom of God as contrasted with its continuous rejection, which leads to the domains of iniquity.

54:0.2 (613.2) The Gods neither create evil nor permit sin and rebellion. Potential evil is time-existent in a universe embracing differential levels of perfection meanings and values. Sin is potential in all realms where imperfect beings are endowed with the ability to choose between good and evil. The very conflicting presence of truth and untruth, fact and falsehood, constitutes the potentiality of error. The deliberate choice of evil constitutes sin; the willful rejection of truth is error; the persistent pursuit of sin and error is iniquity.

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According to the text below, and regarding the Satania rebellion specifically, there are more than 48 different reasons why justice is delayed by mercy and patience. 12 of those are listed here.

Not only are mercy and patience fair, they are also fruitful!! Eternal benefits are experienced and realized and actualized by the ministry of love.

This example of universe reality we may suffer from now will deliver these gifts and benefits forevermore.

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5. The Wisdom of Delay

54:5.1 (617.1) Of the many reasons known to me as to why Lucifer and his confederates were not sooner interned or adjudicated, I am permitted to recite the following:

54:5.2 (617.2) 1. Mercy requires that every wrongdoer have sufficient time in which to formulate a deliberate and fully chosen attitude regarding his evil thoughts and sinful acts.

54:5.3 (617.3) 2. Supreme justice is dominated by a Father’s love; therefore will justice never destroy that which mercy can save. Time to accept salvation is vouchsafed every evildoer.

54:5.4 (617.4) 3. No affectionate father is ever precipitate in visiting punishment upon an erring member of his family. Patience cannot function independently of time.

54:5.5 (617.5) 4. While wrongdoing is always deleterious to a family, wisdom and love admonish the upright children to bear with an erring brother during the time granted by the affectionate father in which the sinner may see the error of his way and embrace salvation.

54:5.6 (617.6) 5. Regardless of Michael’s attitude toward Lucifer, notwithstanding his being Lucifer’s Creator-father, it was not in the province of the Creator Son to exercise summary jurisdiction over the apostate System Sovereign because he had not then completed his bestowal career, thereby attaining unqualified sovereignty of Nebadon.

54:5.7 (617.7) 6. The Ancients of Days could have immediately annihilated these rebels, but they seldom execute wrongdoers without a full hearing. In this instance they refused to overrule the Michael decisions.

54:5.8 (617.8) 7. It is evident that Immanuel counseled Michael to remain aloof from the rebels and allow rebellion to pursue a natural course of self-obliteration. And the wisdom of the Union of Days is the time reflection of the united wisdom of the Paradise Trinity.

54:5.9 (617.9) 8. The Faithful of Days on Edentia advised the Constellation Fathers to allow the rebels free course to the end that all sympathy for these evildoers should be the sooner uprooted in the hearts of every present and future citizen of Norlatiadek—every mortal, morontia, or spirit creature.

54:5.10 (617.10) 9. On Jerusem the personal representative of the Supreme Executive of Orvonton counseled Gabriel to foster full opportunity for every living creature to mature a deliberate choice in those matters involved in the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The issues of rebellion having been raised, the Paradise emergency adviser of Gabriel portrayed that, if such full and free opportunity were not given all Norlatiadek creatures, then would the Paradise quarantine against all such possible halfhearted or doubt-stricken creatures be extended in self-protection against the entire constellation. To keep open the Paradise doors of ascension to the beings of Norlatiadek, it was necessary to provide for the full development of rebellion and to insure the complete determination of attitude on the part of all beings in any way concerned therewith.

54:5.11 (617.11) 10. The Divine Minister of Salvington issued as her third independent proclamation a mandate directing that nothing be done to half cure, cowardly suppress, or otherwise hide the hideous visage of rebels and rebellion. The angelic hosts were directed to work for full disclosure and unlimited opportunity for sin-expression as the quickest technique of achieving the perfect and final cure of the plague of evil and sin.

54:5.12 (618.1) 11. An emergency council of ex-mortals consisting of Mighty Messengers, glorified mortals who had had personal experience with like situations, together with their colleagues, was organized on Jerusem. They advised Gabriel that at least three times the number of beings would be led astray if arbitrary or summary methods of suppression were attempted. The entire Uversa corps of counselors concurred in advising Gabriel to permit the rebellion to take its full and natural course, even if it should require a million years to wind up the consequences.

54:5.13 (618.2) 12. Time, even in a universe of time, is relative: If a Urantia mortal of average length of life should commit a crime which precipitated world-wide pandemonium, and if he were apprehended, tried, and executed within two or three days of the commission of the crime, would it seem a long time to you? And yet that would be nearer a comparison with the length of Lucifer’s life even if his adjudication, now begun, should not be completed for a hundred thousand Urantia years. The relative lapse of time from the viewpoint of Uversa, where the litigation is pending, could be indicated by saying that the crime of Lucifer was being brought to trial within two and a half seconds of its commission. From the Paradise viewpoint the adjudication is simultaneous with the enactment.

54:5.14 (618.3) There are an equal number of reasons for not arbitrarily stopping the Lucifer rebellion which would be partially comprehensible to you, but which I am not permitted to narrate. I may inform you that on Uversa we teach forty-eight reasons for permitting evil to run the full course of its own moral bankruptcy and spiritual extinction. I doubt not that there are just as many additional reasons not known to me.

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I'm trying to figure out why after Lucifer and Satan were incarcerated, Caligastia was left here to prosecute his nefarious designs. Seems to me he should have joined his buddies in jail after betraying our world.

[53:8.6] The last act of Michael before leaving Urantia was to offer mercy to Caligastia and Daligastia,
but they spurned his tender proffer. Caligastia, your apostate Planetary Prince, is still free on Urantia to
prosecute his nefarious designs, but he has absolutely no power to enter the minds of men, neither can he
draw near to their souls to tempt or corrupt them unless they really desire to be cursed with his wicked
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There are plenty of mortals around who do in fact wish to be cursed with his wicked presence, and I am quite sure they have a hand in our world's many troubles at present, and on a large scale at that.



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In order to capaire certain dynamics, including why Caligastia and Daligastia were let loose on our planet, we would have to enter the mind of the Father and beyond all the arguments I have read, which are very plausible and acceptable, there is no doubt that at the moment we are not able to probe the mind of the Father, that is, we might be able to do his will, but that is another matter. In a UB passage, which I cannot recall now, we are told that if need be, if our mind is not helpful, we could change it to Yeshua's and in this way have access to the most brilliant mind that has ever trod the soil of our planet. But even this possibility I don't think is entirely easy, otherwise we would already be in the Age of Light and Life long ago.

Finally, we should think bigger, Urantia and what's going on here is not just about our planet, but millions of planets in our local Nebadon universe. That is, let's not just take it as something negative, (and this is undeniable), but as something that can help billions of creatures. Why are books written or movies made? Let's not just think about money, but this is also done to teach, and we are not able to know our brothers and sisters in a local universe, much more to understand whether this present suffering of ours serves as a help to countless creatures

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