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All there is to say is that we are
"Between Nothingness and Eternity"

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Great discussion gentlemen.

Coop, I can relate. Despite my prayers I admit my human nature has truly wished someone dead as of late (so much hurt and so many problems would vanish in an instant). Of course I am nowhere near actually acting on it, and I have all the normal reactions of guilt for the wickedness. But I do think it's important we share these matters of the heart because it lays bare the acute conflict one can have when serving these two masters.


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nodAmanaV wrote:
All there is to say is that we are "Between Nothingness and Eternity"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P57GFyx ... 7K&index=2


This may be true but actually all one needs is to "Believe".


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Hello coop,

You asked:
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Compassion is the key to forgive NO ?


I honestly don't know. I'm not that good at compassion. When someone does something so bad to me that I have the urge to hurt him, I have to walk away and let it go. I suppose Jesus would say that I have to return something good, but whatever that is, it never occurs to me at the time. For me the good thing is letting it go, but I'm not that evolved either.

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Compassion definition: sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others.
synonyms: pity, sympathy, empathy, fellow feeling, care, concern, solicitude, sensitivity, warmth, love, tenderness, mercy, leniency, tolerance, kindness, humanity, charity.

That's quite a bundle!! The UB gives us plenty of paradoxes to sort out and coop, quil, and Rexford now discuss a very specific response and response-ability which I too struggle with. Jesus warned against what he called "false sympathy" or pity for those who suffer by their own hand - wrong motive, intention, priority, and choice.

I don't know if compassion is integral to forgiveness. I suppose so. Or is forgiveness something higher, seeking to understand better the one who angers us and notice how unhappy and unsettled they may be and why so. While we are to pity and have compassion on all victims of the choices of others (and not their own), I must also realize how often I have chosen to be with someone or somewhere that was unwise - I put myself in a place of being victimized; so then, who is to blame when I am then victimized? A curious problem.

When I get angry, no matter its source or cause, I immediately feel like Rexford described earlier - out of tune, distorted, uncomfortable, etc. Often I find myself angry AT someone else but that's some weird reaction of being mad or frustrated at some failure of my own when honest with myself upon reflection. In some ways, getting angry is itself a form of failure in my mind....demonstrates immaturity and incorrect response mechanism (this is strictly my opinion of myself and no comment on any others). So regardless of the "cause" of my anger, I seek to purge it from mind first and then look for its true cause and then I often must laugh at myself for being such a tadpole!

And yet, anger is still triggered later by the same or other cause. It's a quandary! But one thing I know for sure, every "response" I make in anger is always a bad response with a negative outcome. A real "hornet's nest"!!

Even the Master showed a little anger time to time. So it must be a deeply embedded human trait that requires self mastery to transcend.

Thanks to all for the contributions about our need to learn how better to respond to all stimuli along the edges of conflict and the vicissitudes of our life.

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Hello Brad,

You said that even the Master showed a little anger from time to time. I'm not sure about that. I don't think he got angry as much as he got indignant or displeased. I guess anger has a wide definition, but the kind of anger he told us to avoid is the spiteful kind of anger, the kind that retaliates and holds grudges.

There was something else you mentioned in an earlier post. You said we know our motives and intentions and I'm not so sure we always do. There are hidden motives we all have that arise from the subconscious from time to time to interfere (think Freud here). The motives of the soul are likewise often unknown to us, or at least seem foreign. I think spiritual growth gives us more insight to the soul's motives which are more in tune with the Adjuster.

The material level of mind may never be able to rid itself completely of animal emotions, but the personality is certainly capable of ignoring those emotions and choosing the motive of the soul, or soul-derived emotions, which are more in tune with divinity.

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P1436:5, 130:5.4 One thing happened on a visit to Fair Havens which Ganid never forgot; the memory of this episode always caused him to wish he might do something to change the caste system of his native India. A drunken degenerate was attacking a slave girl on the public highway. When Jesus saw the plight of the girl, he rushed forward and drew the maiden away from the assault of the madman. While the frightened child clung to him, he held the infuriated man at a safe distance by his powerful extended right arm until the poor fellow had exhausted himself beating the air with his angry blows. Ganid felt a strong impulse to help Jesus handle the affair, but his father forbade him. Though they could not speak the girl's language, she could understand their act of mercy and gave token of her heartfelt appreciation as they all three escorted her home. This was probably as near a personal encounter with his fellows as Jesus ever had throughout his entire life in the flesh. But he had a difficult task that evening trying to explain to Ganid why he did not smite the drunken man. Ganid thought this man should have been struck at least as many times as he had struck the girl.


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(100:4.5) In the mind's eye conjure up a picture of one of your primitive ancestors of cave-dwelling times—a short, misshapen, filthy, snarling hulk of a man standing, legs spread, club upraised, breathing hate and animosity as he looks fiercely just ahead. Such a picture hardly depicts the divine dignity of man. But allow us to enlarge the picture. In front of this animated human crouches a saber-toothed tiger. Behind him, a woman and two children. Immediately you recognize that such a picture stands for the beginnings of much that is fine and noble in the human race, but the man is the same in both pictures. Only, in the second sketch you are favored with a widened horizon. You therein discern the motivation of this evolving mortal. His attitude becomes praiseworthy because you understand him. If you could only fathom the motives of your associates, how much better you would understand them. If you could only know your fellows, you would eventually fall in love with them.
(174:1.4) When a wise man understands the inner impulses of his fellows, he will love them. And when you love your brother, you have already forgiven him. This capacity to understand man's nature and forgive his apparent wrongdoing is Godlike.


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Hi Brothers 8)

Maybe someone can help me find the quote
that im looking for ?
I recall one of the Jesus papers saying about
Jesus waiting in line for a boat or ferry behind
a man n women n their child ,
and that the man was publicly verbaly an physically
abusing his wife etc and that Jesus stepd in and
took him by the arm , off to the side and said to him
something like , you love your wife and shes the mother
of your children etc , an to show her the respect she deserves
etc , or something like that , ...?


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Judy (correction - Just) before this story is a section in the same Paper titled "Mercy and Justice" after the bully boy incident. :smile:

133:2.1 (1470.2) While tarrying at the ship landing, waiting for the boat to unload cargo, the travelers observed a man mistreating his wife. As was his custom, Jesus intervened in behalf of the person subjected to attack. He stepped up behind the irate husband and, tapping him gently on the shoulder, said: “My friend, may I speak with you in private for a moment?” The angry man was nonplused by such an approach and, after a moment of embarrassing hesitation, stammered out — “er — why — yes, what do you want with me?” When Jesus had led him to one side, he said: “My friend, I perceive that something terrible must have happened to you; I very much desire that you tell me what could happen to such a strong man to lead him to attack his wife, the mother of his children, and that right out here before all eyes. I am sure you must feel that you have some good reason for this assault. What did the woman do to deserve such treatment from her husband? As I look upon you, I think I discern in your face the love of justice if not the desire to show mercy. I venture to say that, if you found me out by the wayside, attacked by robbers, you would unhesitatingly rush to my rescue. I dare say you have done many such brave things in the course of your life. Now, my friend, tell me what is the matter? Did the woman do something wrong, or did you foolishly lose your head and thoughtlessly assault her?” It was not so much what he said that touched this man’s heart as the kindly look and the sympathetic smile which Jesus bestowed upon him at the conclusion of his remarks. Said the man: “I perceive you are a priest of the Cynics, and I am thankful you restrained me. My wife has done no great wrong; she is a good woman, but she irritates me by the manner in which she picks on me in public, and I lose my temper. I am sorry for my lack of self-control, and I promise to try to live up to my former pledge to one of your brothers who taught me the better way many years ago. I promise you.” *

133:2.2 (1471.1) And then, in bidding him farewell, Jesus said: “My brother, always remember that man has no rightful authority over woman unless the woman has willingly and voluntarily given him such authority. Your wife has engaged to go through life with you, to help you fight its battles, and to assume the far greater share of the burden of bearing and rearing your children; and in return for this special service it is only fair that she receive from you that special protection which man can give to woman as the partner who must carry, bear, and nurture the children. The loving care and consideration which a man is willing to bestow upon his wife and their children are the measure of that man’s attainment of the higher levels of creative and spiritual self-consciousness. Do you not know that men and women are partners with God in that they co-operate to create beings who grow up to possess themselves of the potential of immortal souls? The Father in heaven treats the Spirit Mother of the children of the universe as one equal to himself. It is Godlike to share your life and all that relates thereto on equal terms with the mother partner who so fully shares with you that divine experience of reproducing yourselves in the lives of your children. If you can only love your children as God loves you, you will love and cherish your wife as the Father in heaven honors and exalts the Infinite Spirit, the mother of all the spirit children of a vast universe.”

133:2.3 (1471.2) As they went on board the boat, they looked back upon the scene of the teary-eyed couple standing in silent embrace. Having heard the latter half of Jesus’ message to the man, Gonod was all day occupied with meditations thereon, and he resolved to reorganize his home when he returned to India.

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Is Compassion an forgiveness Altruistic?

al·tru·is·tic
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adjective
showing a disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others; unselfish.
"it was an entirely altruistic act"
synonyms: unselfish, selfless, compassionate, kind, public-spirited; charitable, benevolent, beneficent, philanthropic, humanitarian; literarybounteous
"the desire is to appear purely altruistic with no apparent expectation of repayment"

Maybe or maybe not .

Forgiveness is a tricky n sticky situation , thing

For me I Can forgive and walk away but i cant forget
depending on the reason n situation/s .

So IF , I Cant forget , ... i guess then thats really only
A Partial forgiveness then eh ?

If I Personaly try/ attempt to accept or understand
someones moraly n insane motive an behavior and cant know
their motives or reasons , I / we Can judge them by their actions .
and the pain n hurt done to others that they have done .

But Father an Michael are the final judge that they will need to
answer to ,

And so called '' Karma '' Can be a Son of a Bitch
in this life an the next .

I Hesitate to share the Karma that happened to my Daughters
ex , yet i have NO Pity for him or what he did to his new
girlfiend or himself ,

Maybe God can forgive him .

But i cant and never will .

Maybe you can read between the lines ... or not .

I Could share more ,,, but

I Believe in second chances , third chances etc
we all have them and will get them now an on the future shores .

The Bottom line is i guess
All have freewill Choices ,

ah decisions an more decisions

Frank Sinatra sang I Did it my Way .

Yet he was wrong ...
God the Father n Michael/ Jesus

IS THE ... WAY


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Bro Brad 8)

Thanks for the Quote

Who is Judy ?


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Oh Dear!! :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: Just.....

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NO Problem 8)

I get easily confused :-$

Sorry Bro i couldnt hep myself lol

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Greetings,

We're told that the love of Jesus is never satisfied with mere forgiveness and that his love rehabilitates us in eternity. I don't think we are expected to forget every transgression against us as though it never happened. I doubt that's humanly possible, at least I don't think so. I know God can do that, but he's blind to our imperfections when it comes to love.

I've tried to forget some things people have done to me and I can only do that in the short term. When I'm forced to face them again, the past is still there, maybe not in the foreground, but somewhere in the background. It surfaces despite my best abilities to bury it.

I'm not sure burying hateful things done against us is all that healthy actually. It's possible that a very slow rehabilitation process is required in the mansion worlds. At least that's what I'm hoping for because there have been a lot of people in my life who have born false witness against me and violated my confiding trust, things I can't completely forget. I do forgive the person however, I really do. I just can't forget the behavior and the pain it caused. It seems to burn a deep scar.

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