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Hi coop

That was absolutely beautifull. I loved every moment in reading those beautifull scriptures. They were fantastic I was wandering do have a copy or link to them. They were just so nice.

After reading that and considering all that is happening it just so more relevant to the scenaro at hand and in paralell in discovery. Just blows my mind and leaves rather awe struck!

Anyway thanks for those beautiful scriptures.

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Here is the Link ...

http://altreligion.about.com/gi/dynamic ... sis.org%2F

They Are Beautyfull Arnt they , regardless of just who/m actually had written them . :smile: So Much to Read & Sudy/ Learn ....Hunh . ? 8) Yet the real fun Is in the Path Along our Journey . :wink:
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Yes Brother Coopmon, its great fun searching for mysteries in the scriptures. I just love it

They were beautiful and clearly outlines the agenda and is very specific and it parallels beautifully.

In the interim I was reading some other posts and I came across this one.
http://www.pyracantha.com/ameshas.html

Saoshyant

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Saoshyant is in Zoroastrianism the World Savior. During the period which was the dark years of the religion the belief in a savior emerged. Gathic passages suggest Zoroaster was filled with a sense of the imminent end of the world which caused him to envision Ahura Mazda sending "a man who is better than a good man" (Y 43.3), the Saoshyant, literally meaning "one who will bring benefit," who will possess revealed truth and will lead humanity in the final battle against evil. It is probable that
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Zoroaster realized that he was not going to live to see the age of Frasho-kereti. His followers ardently clung to this expectation, coming to believe that Saoshyant would come from the prophet's own seed, miraculously preserved in the depths of a lake (identified as LakeKasaoya). When the end of time approaches, it is said, a virgin will bathe in this lake and become with child by the prophet, and she will in due course bear a son, named Astvat-ereta, [b]"He who embodies righteousness" (after Zoroaster's own words: "My righteousness embodied"
Y 43.16).


I was drawn to these key statements

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miraculously preserved in the depths of a lake (Discovery of the foundations miracously preserved and can be identified today and what is spoken beforehand.)
Saoshyant would come from the prophet's own seed(The truth will come from whats in the lake, what is discovered or what lays there is the seed)
miraculously preserved in the depths of a lake (All the foundations of our history are all preserved miraculously)
When the end of time approaches(When the discoveries are discovered that is time the sign or the signal)

The Following must be the process

bathe in this lake (Search for the truth literaly through an expedition and to discover it in this case Eden However Dalamatia/Dilmun/Bablot need an expedition but its found through technology and in the URantia Book and Sumerian tablets)

child by the prophet(Perhaps this means that after discovering the truth begins to seed and spread. Its the child or the product of Man, God, Discovery and seeding the truth therefore the child. Isnt that whats in play today!!)

due course bear a son, named Astvat-ereta,Yes this follows a process of time in its manifestation like what we see today, but truth will be the son, a new era or even the truth that is discovered will lead to the son, the Melchizedek.!! Could that be the meaning!!)

But then look at the results of imbibing the discovery in the lake and the birthing experience of the new child because of the truth from the prophet and its relation to the lake and whats within it. Going into the lake to seek, to find the discoveries, The Urantia Book and all the truth. The new birth of the new child from this lake is The Urantia Book and all the books that surround it and all the discoveries. I believe that is the new child. Backed by the discoveries in the lakes, The Med and the Persian Gulf which are like lakes that have 1stEden/Dalamatia/Dilmun/Bablot submerged within them.

"He who embodies righteousness"
"My righteousness embodied"





Anyway its a bit late and Im going around the bend I think.

The possibilities are very interesting.

interesting coming from Zoroaster.

Anyway all the above are just thoughts. Its just what I think it doesnt meaning its accurate but to me it feels right.

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Its interesting that

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"Then you shall have the trumpet sounded loud; in the seventh month . . . " (Lev. 25;9)


Its funny when I made a declaration on the 4th July that was the 7 month When I made the call 4th July and then ran into Enoch 10 week prophecy which was in the same timeline. It had Sevenfold all over it and its discovery of the ancient places in the Seventh Part. I'm sure the seventh part is still in the process as everything becomes apparent.

Here is another little synchronicity
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On MSNBC tonight 1/14/07Quest for Atlantis is on @ 7pm CST...8pm EST


Note the date, multiples of 7 on the first month and the documentary has a heavy focus on 1Eden/Atlantis

I thought that was interesting the 7 marker in the date and Eden being presented to millions of people in the USA.

7 and 14(7x2) = 777 3x7=21 Jesus birth date then 21 as in 2+1=3 Trinity or Paradise Trinity

Ahh just having some fun being creative!

But then you have this Documentary coming up

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The documentary about the second Atlantis expedition off the coast of Cyprus will air on two-hour season premier of the "Digging for the Truth" series, broadcast by the History Channel on Monday, January 22nd at 9 p.m. Don't miss it!


I couldnt help myself spoken by Jesus about the Sevenfold peace as recorded by the Essenes.

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Thou shalt travel the Seven Paths
Of the Infinite Garden,


http://www.sevenfoldbooks.com/eden/essene_eden.htm

Here is an extract 1Enoch. I know its full on regarding the judgment scenario However what I highlighted really spoke to me.

http://www.carm.org/lost/enoch.htm Thanks for the link

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1 I The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said, "Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come.Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them: The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling, 4 And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai, [And appear from His camp] And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heaven. 5 And all shall be smitten with fear, And the Watchers shall quake, And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth. 6 And the high mountains shall be shaken, And the high hills shall be made low, And shall melt like wax before the flame. And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder, And all that is upon the earth shall perish, And there shall be a judgment upon all (men). But with the righteous He will make peace, And will protect the elect, And. mercy shall be upon them. And they shall all belong to God, And they shall be prospered, And they shall all be blessed. And He will help them all, And light shall appear unto them, And He will make peace with them. 9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgment upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
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I see many things in the above scripture.

The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling Thats right he will come from his dwelling from his truth and activities. Like 1stEden and the other places being the dwelling of God the habitations, the foundations.

And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heaven Appear full of Glory with an army of Angels. I feel it will be a worldwide events. That could happen at anytime.

And the eternal God will tread upon the earth Be visible, obvious and noticed by all.

And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder, Looks like the planet will react physicaly.

But with the righteous He will make peace, And will protect the elect, And. mercy shall be upon them. And they shall all belong to God, And they shall be prospered, And they shall all be blessed. And He will help them all, And light shall appear unto them, And He will make peace with them. 9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
Well it really says it all.

Particularly when it says "and light shall appear unto them" as we are being illuminated before the events through the signs of the discoveries and in connection to the new book. The light that is appear unto us is the Sevenfold light as described in Enoch and Isaiah and other authors including The Urantia Book. Also when he comes, I believe the Melchizedek will make peace with the righteous those who believe and have faith, simple faith. It seems like a beautiful time in reconciliation.

With Judgment. If it is to happen in the way it is described. I feel judgment will be about the motive of a person, what is within one.. It has nothing to do with Genes or babies being destroyed if they cant make a decision that to me is complete nonsense and limited crystallized thinking.


I think judgement is a spiritual judgment of personal conviction about ones motives and what drives him and is based on the standards of all the books including The Urantia Book, the Book of life. I also feel that when in revelations it says that if your name is not in the book of life you will not survive.(something like that) I feel this has to do with what is within oneself. Its like, if the truth cant be found within you in your daily life bearing good spiritual fruits through righteousness in your heart then the spiritual light cant be recognized as described in all the books.

also in Enoch chapter 3

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3 Observe and see how (in the winter) all the trees seem as though they had withered and shed all their leaves, except fourteen trees, which do not lose their foliage but retain the old foliage from two to three years till the new comes.


Looking at it as a metaphor

Again we see the number 14 (7+7) 77

And it speaks of a time period of 2 to 3 years does reflect the time period of the process of the light that shall appear unto us, under our noses over a 2 3 year period as in the discoveries? Foilage is that a reflection of using the old knowledge and the new knowledge together until the new begins to shine in completeness as we put all the connections together on the run? Or when the new comes is that day of the Melchizedek? The final conjunction.

Most compelling mystery

Its all fantastic!

regards
sevens


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Hello Joer

Sorry, i missed your post, but you said:

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Sarah do you have any quotes from the Koran or other book demonstrating this? (Judgement Day)


There is an interesting link below about the Physics of Judgement Day according to the Quran. The Quran maybe suggests, depending upon your interpretation ofcourse that the expansion of the universes shall rewind backwards along with gravity and time... and into its original state, this is when judgement day will occur. As the universe is being renewed, God shall provide a gateway for all souls to be transported to another place to await the new creation. I was surprised to read that muslims dont actually believe in an immediate journey after death... They believe that when we pass our souls remain on this earth in the grave floating over our remains until judgment day, but these souls have access to the universe and can travel around meeting up with other beings, deceased souls and living souls (but only through our dreams we can meet them....) At the end of times according to the Quran, God shall create a new existence, a new universe with seven levels with Hell being at the bottom. This is when the souls shall be placed on their level according to how they progressed on earth.

Physics of Judgement Day :
http://dev.islamicity.com/Science/dayjudge.shtml

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I loved your link in your post I found many pearls there thanks for the link.

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When earth is shaken with her final earthquake. And earth yields its burdens (From within). And man says what's wrong with her. That day she will relate her History (in time) because your Lord inspires her That day mankind will issue forth in scattered groups to be shown their deeds. .Qur'an Chapter 99 Verse 1-6

When sight is confounded, And the moon is eclipsed (hidden from view), And sun and moon are united. (appear as one light). Qur'an Chapter 75 Verse 7-9

(Conjunction of truth of all the knowledge of our past)

A day when the heavens and the clouds will be rent asunder and the angels will be sent down "A grand descent. Qur'an Chapter 25 Verse 25



Men ask you of the Hour. Say the knowledge of it is with God only. What can convey to you that may be the Hour is near. Qur'an Chapter 33 Verse 63

They bid you to hasten on the doom. And if a term had not been appointed, the doom would have definitely come on them. And it will come upon them suddenly when they perceive not. Qur'an Chapter 29 Verse 53

The threatened hour is near. None beside God can disclose it. Are you surprised then at this statement? Qur'an Chapter 53 Verse 57-59

And on The Day when the Hour arrives the guilty will swear that they remained (dead) but for an hour, thus they were ever deceived but to those to whom [b]knowledge and faith are given will say: ”The truth is that you have remained (dead) until the Day of Resurrection by God's decree. This is the Day of Resurrection,[/b] but you used not to know.” Qur'an CHapter 30 Verse 55-56


To God belongs the Sovereignty of heavens and the earth on the Day when the Hour rises, who follow falsehood will be lost. Qur'an Chapter 45 Verse 27

The agony of death comes in truth; this is what you wished to avoid, And the trumpet is blown; this is the threatened Day. Qur'an Chapter 50 Verse 19-20

"The day" when, We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolls up a written scroll. As, We began the first creation We shall repeat it. Qur'an Chapter 21 Verse 104


This book pronounces against you with truth We have caused (all) you did to be recorded. (In time). Qur'an Chapter 45 Verse 29

And there is nothing hidden in the heavens, or the earth, but it is a clear record (in time). Qur'an Chapter 27 Verse 75



I thought the above was very interesting from your link
thanks

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There are 20 replies to the original post of this topic and precious few even mention Urantia. I was wondering if some of the long time students of Urantia, participating in this discussion, might help me out here?

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Religion has always been largely a matter of rites, rituals, observances, ceremonies, and dogmas. It has usually become tainted with that persistently mischief-making error, the chosen-people delusion. The cardinal religious ideas of incantation, inspiration, revelation, propitiation, repentance, atonement, intercession, sacrifice, prayer, confession, worship, survival after death, sacrament, ritual, ransom, salvation, redemption, covenant, uncleanness, purification, prophecy, original sin--they all go back to the early times of primordial ghost fear.

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Well I would like to say its the Urantia Book that has led us to great journey in discovering our origins.

All the other information in the above I feel contains information that supports the Urantia Book.

Its all the Urantia Book 100% leading us all to the foundations everything else really is secondary.

I think I have mentioned the Urantia Book in relation this research in most of my posts and in relation to the topic. Everything in the above is an honest examination of where perhaps truth emanates from. Anyway it all leads to the Urantia Book which is the prime revelation.

The topic is prophecy and prophetical events?? Isnt that what we are examining??

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Sorry Trampswan.... Joer asked me to provide him with some information from a book, so i did... I have seen people here using quotes from the Old and New Testaments on many occasions....... ?? !

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All the other information in the above I feel contains information that supports the Urantia Book.

I think I agree with that. There is much that I have read in this discussion that further validates what I have learned from my studies of Urantia, but that is not the point.

Does the Urantia Book validate, support or discredit the sources quoted here?

I quoted a paragraph or two from Paper 92. I'll focus on one sentence:
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It [religion] has usually become tainted with that persistently mischief-making error, the chosen-people delusion.


Of the gospels, Apocrypha and/or heretical works quoted here, which, if any, promote the chosen-people delusion?

And since, as stated in the Posting Guidelines, part of this site's mission is that of outreach, and since the Open Forum is the first stop, usually, of new visitors, shouldn't we, as students of Urantia, exercise caution in our discussion of works that promote error?

This topic was once moved to the Skeptics Corner by another moderator. I suspect that it was for the reasons stated above.

It's my job to moderate this forum and keep it within the intended spirit and rules as stated.

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No problem

But I will say that my motive is not as you quoted, to create mischief and I am under no illusions about the Chosen people fragment in the Urantia Book. Its all about what is within the soul of a person and what motives his actions. We are simply examining what other books say and to see if there is commonality in the timeline.

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Sorry Tramp. My fault. I probably started this thread in the wrong place. Can you or Larry move us to the appropriate Place?

I had asked Sarah about the info form the Quran because I wanted to see how it compared things written in TUB. Same as some of these other prophetic writings. I like how Sarah mentioned that Muslims believe in going to the Seven levels from High to lower spirituality after death. Doesn't that sound like the Seven Mansion Worlds form TUB. Not exactly the same but similar.

If you and/or Larry can help us by putting us in the right Forum, I'd very much appreciate it. Maybe Skeptics forum? Anywhere where we won't bother anyone is fine with me.

God Bless you my admin MOD squad brothers! :o Hope we not causing to much trouble. Thank You! And God Bless You for your God-like patience! :smile:

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I quoted a paragraph or two from Paper 92. I'll focus on one sentence:
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It [religion] has usually become tainted with that persistently mischief-making error, the chosen-people delusion.

Of the gospels, Apocrypha and/or heretical works quoted here, which, if any, promote the chosen-people delusion?


Nothing i quoted promotes the "chosen-people delusion" atall, truly that is not true, i find the book and faith that i wrote about holds a similar story to that of the Urantia book, and that is any soul with a belief in one God is a 'Chosen Person', not a follower of any set faith. An innate belief in Oneness pretty much covers every person really, even a polytheist, because every soul is naturally driven towards one source. Im not here to preach, I just want to find any similarities in the books, because they all hold some truths, some falsehoods.... maybe some more than others....

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Brother Tramp Swan ~ I Do See your Point in Regards to The Use of
thee Chosen People Concepts & The Elect , in the Bible & the Q, & Quran etc Verses . As the UB States That ALL are Loved By The Universal Father
With UNCONDITIONAL LOVE > ALL HIS Children . :wink:

Although the Urantia Papers Do Say that Jesus Christ Michael Did Say that One Has To Be Born Renewed again , regenerated In / With the
Spirit . A Parallel ~ Yet I wont Argue thee Point . About Saved ? Those IN the Light of Truth . Doing The Fathers Will . & those Lost in the Darkness .

So then my Brother Tramp , Could We Maybe Then , Use this UB Paper
As A Higher Truth , Stated in the UB As a Disclaimer , Against ...
ANY ` Previous Revelations Written , ... As Incorrect Error/s Of Former Thots , ... In Regards to the ELECT Or Chosen Peoples Concepts :idea:

Just a thot , .. To Ponder ... Tramp ~ Have you been workin out again ? As You be Looking All :arrow: Buff & Stuff . :wink: Will Flattery get us Anywhere ? :mrgreen:

I was Going to Use some stuff from Duane Fawns {sp] Bible / Ub Paramoaney , is that OK ? Or Is It Considerd Sudo Non Canonacal Work ?
I Do Not Know .

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7. You shall not show disrespect for your parents and elders. :wink:
A Few Key Words ((a chosen individual.)){{ SELECTION }}
Choice
Predicated Desire
Leadership
Favorably
Determined by
The children of Terah, the father of Abraham, in every way met these expectations ,

A ~ E ~ I ~ O ~ U ! :smile:

{Although (it may be an error to speak) of "chosen people," it is not a (mistake to) refer to Abraham as ((a chosen individual.))
Melchizedek did lay upon Abraham the responsibility of keeping alive the truth of one God as distinguished from the prevailing belief in plural deities.} :idea:

((Melchizedek came to achieve two tasks: to keep alive on earth the truth of the one God and to prepare the way for the subsequent mortal bestowal of a Paradise Son of that Universal Father.)) O:)

{and they confidently expected offspring in a certain generation who would be characterized by intelligence, initiative, sagacity, and sincerity. The children of Terah, the father of Abraham, in every way met these expectations } :smile:
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MEL Knew . :smile: While no sacrifices were permitted within the colony,

:arrow: Melchizedek well knew how difficult it is to suddenly uproot long-established customs and accordingly had wisely offered these people the substitute of a sacrament of bread and wine for the older sacrifice of flesh and blood.

It is of record, "Melchizedek, king of Salem, brought forth bread and wine."

But even this cautious innovation was not altogether successful; the various tribes all maintained auxiliary centers on the outskirts of Salem where they offered sacrifices and burnt offerings. Even Abraham resorted to this barbarous practice after his victory over Chedorlaomer; he simply did not feel quite at ease until he had offered a conventional sacrifice. And Melchizedek never did succeed in fully eradicating this proclivity to sacrifice from the religious practices of his followers, even of Abraham.

Like Jesus, Melchizedek attended strictly to the fulfillment of the mission of his bestowal. He did not attempt to reform the mores, to change the habits of the world, nor to promulgate even advanced sanitary practices or scientific truths.

He came to achieve two tasks: to keep alive on earth the truth of the one God and to prepare the way for the subsequent mortal bestowal of a Paradise Son of that Universal Father.

Melchizedek taught elementary revealed truth at Salem for ninety-four years, and during this time Abraham attended the Salem school three different times. He finally became a convert to the Salem teachings, becoming one of Melchizedek's most brilliant pupils and chief supporters.

5. THE{{ SELECTION }} :wink: OF ABRAHAM Although it may be an error to speak of "chosen people," it is not a mistake to refer to Abraham as a chosen individual. Melchizedek did lay upon Abraham the responsibility of keeping alive the truth of one God as distinguished from the prevailing belief in plural deities.

The choice of Palestine as the site for Machiventa's activities was in part predicated upon the desire to establish contact with some human family embodying the potentials of leadership. At the time of the incarnation of Melchizedek there were many families on earth just as well prepared to receive the doctrine of Salem as was that of Abraham. There were equally endowed families among the red men, the yellow men, and the descendants of the Andites to the west and north. But, again, none of these localities were so favorably situated for Michael's subsequent appearance on earth as was the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea. The Melchizedek mission in Palestine and the subsequent appearance of Michael among the Hebrew people were in no small measure determined by geography, by the fact that Palestine was centrally located with reference to the then existent trade, travel, and civilization of the world.

For some time the Melchizedek receivers had been observing the ancestors of Abraham, and they confidently expected offspring in a certain generation who would be characterized by intelligence, initiative, sagacity, and sincerity. The children of Terah, the father of Abraham, in every way met these expectations. It was this possibility of contact with these versatile children of Terah that had considerable to do with the appearance of Machiventa at Salem, rather than in Egypt, China, India, or among the northern tribes.

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Terah and his whole family were halfhearted converts to the Salem religion, which had been preached in Chaldea; they learned of Melchizedek through the preaching of Ovid, a Phoenician teacher who proclaimed the Salem doctrines in Ur. They left Ur intending to go directly through to Salem, but Nahor, Abraham's brother, not having seen Melchizedek, was lukewarm and persuaded them to tarry at Haran. And it was a long time after they arrived in Palestine before they were willing to destroy all of the household gods they had brought with them; they were slow to give up the many gods of Mesopotamia for the one God of Salem.

A few weeks after the death of Abraham's father, Terah, Melchizedek sent one of his students, Jaram the Hittite, to extend this invitation to both Abraham and Nahor: "Come to Salem, where you shall hear our teachings of the truth of the eternal Creator, and in the enlightened offspring of you two brothers shall all the world be blessed." Now Nahor had not wholly accepted the Melchizedek gospel; he remained behind and built up a strong city-state which bore his name; but Lot, Abraham's nephew, decided to go with his uncle to Salem.

Upon arriving at Salem, Abraham and Lot chose a hilly fastness near the city where they could defend themselves against the many surprise attacks of northern raiders. At this time the Hittites, Assyrians, Philistines, and other groups were constantly raiding the tribes of central and southern Palestine. From their stronghold in the hills Abraham and Lot made frequent pilgrimages to Salem.

Not long after they had established themselves near Salem, Abraham and Lot journeyed to the valley of the Nile to obtain food supplies as there was then a drought in Palestine. During his brief sojourn in Egypt Abraham found a distant relative on the Egyptian throne, and he served as the commander of two very successful military expeditions for this king. During the latter part of his sojourn on the Nile he and his wife, Sarah, lived at court, and when leaving Egypt, he was given a share of the spoils of his military campaigns.

It required great determination for Abraham to forego the honors of the Egyptian court and return to the more spiritual work sponsored by Machiventa. But Melchizedek was revered even in Egypt, and when the full story was laid before Pharaoh, he strongly urged Abraham to return to the execution of his vows to the cause of Salem.

Abraham had kingly ambitions, and on the way back from Egypt he laid before Lot his plan to subdue all Canaan and bring its people under the rule of Salem. Lot was more bent on business; so, after a later disagreement, he went to Sodom to engage in trade and animal husbandry. Lot liked neither a military nor a herder's life.

Upon returning with his family to Salem, Abraham began to mature his military projects. He was soon recognized as the civil ruler of the Salem territory and had confederated under his leadership seven near-by tribes. Indeed, it was with great difficulty that Melchizedek restrained Abraham, who was fired with a zeal to go forth and round up the neighboring tribes with the sword that they might thus more quickly be brought to a knowledge of the Salem truths.

Melchizedek maintained peaceful relations with all the surrounding tribes; he was not militaristic and was never attacked by any of the armies as they moved back and forth. He was entirely willing that Abraham should formulate a defensive policy for Salem such as was subsequently put into effect, but he would not


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Joer, I think it would be a disservice to move this discussion to the Skeptics Corner. I guess I would ask you, the man with the golden heart; well versed in Urantia; and the topic starter, to moderate this discussion with more analysis and examination from the Urantia Book's instructions on such things. Prophecies and prophetic events are often on the mind of those seeking truth in terms spiritual. But in our efforts for outreach I think we must consider the dominance of secularism, especially within the younger generations.

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The modern age will refuse to accept a religion which is inconsistent with facts and out of harmony with its highest conceptions of truth, beauty, and goodness.


Olden texts about prophecies are often filled with dire circumstances of gloom and doom. It is my posit that these very predictions of doom are great obstacles to those who resist a relationship with God because these predicted events do not add up to a loving God in a logical, rational mind.

Tasneem... I guess timing is everything. :-) Again I would encourage your continued study of Urantia and I appreciate your sharing with us a perspective from Islam. Your posts of verses from the Koran were not the subject nor motive of my intrusion.

sevens... Again I would refer to the After Pentecost quote above. I do not question or even pretend to know your motives. I think its great that you have such a drive for the discovery of the unknown and of ancient places. I would suggest to you a visit to the Bahrain National Museum in regards to your discovery of Dilmun.

Artguy and Fetish... my apologies for my generalizations without due note of your efforts to keep feet on the ground from a Urantia standpoint.

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