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Hi! I apologize for my absence, I went to the IBC convention in Amsterdam and the final weeks were quite full of preparation and meetings etc. A.I. was a big subject this year as one can imagine and dominated most of the conversation, with serious objections being raised concerning the amount of electrical energy necessary to power A.I. and data centers in general.

Very heady stuff but it all pales in comparison to the subjects we discuss in this forum, subjects with real meaning and values.

The last posts in this thread really wowed me and I want to thank all who have contributed, widened my horizons and expanded my vision of our purpose here. not only our purpose to choose an eternal career and seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, but also our purpose in helping others make their personal decisions and encourage and strengthen others in their path through this world of time.

The news as it is presented to us via mainstream media is not exactly encouraging, but I am constantly reminded of the Master's stance;
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196:0.3 (2087.3)Jesus did not cling to faith in God as would a struggling soul at war with the universe and at death grips with a hostile and sinful world; he did not resort to faith merely as a consolation in the midst of difficulties or as a comfort in threatened despair; faith was not just an illusory compensation for the unpleasant realities and the sorrows of living. In the very face of all the natural difficulties and the temporal contradictions of mortal existence, he experienced the tranquillity of supreme and unquestioned trust in God and felt the tremendous thrill of living, by faith, in the very presence of the heavenly Father. And this triumphant faith was a living experience of actual spirit attainment. Jesus’ great contribution to the values of human experience was not that he revealed so many new ideas about the Father in heaven, but rather that he so magnificently and humanly demonstrated a new and higher type of living faith in God. Never on all the worlds of this universe, in the life of any one mortal, did God ever become such a living reality as in the human experience of Jesus of Nazareth.

196:0.4 (2087.4)In the Master’s life on Urantia, this and all other worlds of the local creation discover a new and higher type of religion, religion based on personal spiritual relations with the Universal Father and wholly validated by the supreme authority of genuine personal experience. This living faith of Jesus was more than an intellectual reflection, and it was not a mystic meditation.

196:0.5 (2087.5)Theology may fix, formulate, define, and dogmatize faith, but in the human life of Jesus faith was personal, living, original, spontaneous, and purely spiritual. This faith was not reverence for tradition nor a mere intellectual belief which he held as a sacred creed, but rather a sublime experience and a profound conviction which securely held him. His faith was so real and all-encompassing that it absolutely swept away any spiritual doubts and effectively destroyed every conflicting desire. Nothing was able to tear him away from the spiritual anchorage of this fervent, sublime, and undaunted faith. Even in the face of apparent defeat or in the throes of disappointment and threatening despair, he calmly stood in the divine presence free from fear and fully conscious of spiritual invincibility. Jesus enjoyed the invigorating assurance of the possession of unflinching faith, and in each of life’s trying situations he unfailingly exhibited an unquestioning loyalty to the Father’s will. And this superb faith was undaunted even by the cruel and crushing threat of an ignominious death.


Regarding Nigel's explanation of 7 dimensional growth and the ventual achievement of "I AM - WE ARE", I have been chewing on that and his graphics and texts are most helpful, as are Riktare's questions and probing. Thanks!

So I would like to continue with chapter 42 and the topics presented there according to fanofVan's request (and special thanks Bradly for the links to Dr. Sadler's terminology and the Science Workbook! Much appreciated!) Every sentence in the UB can inspire and provoke discussion and debate, but for my own curiosity's sake I would like to continue with Paper 42.
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A quick review of 2. Universal Nonspiritual Energy Systems

(Physical Energies)42:2.6 (469.6)On Uversa, space potency is spoken of as absoluta.
42:2.9 (469.9)Primordial force is sometimes spoken of as pure energy; on Uversa we refer to it as segregata.
42:2.13 (470.4)We are quite uncertain regarding the exact causes of the early stages of force evolution, but we recognize the intelligent action of the Ultimate in both levels of emergent-energy manifestation. Puissant and gravity energies, when regarded collectively, are spoken of on Uversa as ultimata.
42:2.15 (470.6)On Uversa we refer to the realm of universe power as gravita.
42:2.17 (471.1)On Uversa these energies of Havona are known as triata.
42:2.18 (471.2)6. Transcendental energy. This energy system operates on and from the upper level of Paradise and only in connection with the absonite peoples. On Uversa it is denominated tranosta.

42:2.19 (471.3)7. Monota. Energy is close of kin to divinity when it is Paradise energy. We incline to the belief that monota is the living, nonspirit energy of Paradise—an eternity counterpart of the living, spirit energy of the Original Son—hence the nonspiritual energy system of the Universal Father.

42:2.20 (471.4)We cannot differentiate the nature of Paradise spirit and Paradise monota; they are apparently alike. They have different names, but you can hardly be told very much about a reality whose spiritual and whose nonspiritual manifestations are distinguishable only by name.

42:2.21 (471.5)We know that finite creatures can attain the worship experience of the Universal Father through the ministry of God the Sevenfold and the Thought Adjusters, but we doubt that any subabsolute personality, even power directors, can comprehend the energy infinity of the First Great Source and Center. One thing is certain: If the power directors are conversant with the technique of the metamorphosis of space-force, they do not reveal the secret to the rest of us. It is my opinion that they do not fully comprehend the function of the force organizers.

42:2.22 (471.6)These power directors themselves are energy catalyzers; that is, they cause energy to segment, organize, or assemble in unit formation by their presence. And all this implies that there must be something inherent in energy which causes it thus to function in the presence of these power entities. The Nebadon Melchizedeks long since denominated the phenomenon of the transmutation of cosmic force into universe power as one of the seven “infinities of divinity.” And that is as far as you will advance on this point during your local universe ascension. :smile:

42:2.23 (471.7)Notwithstanding our inability fully to comprehend the origin, nature, and transmutations of cosmic force, we are fully conversant with all phases of emergent-energy behavior from the times of its direct and unmistakable response to the action of Paradise gravity—about the time of the beginning of the function of the superuniverse power directors.


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Welcome back!! Glad you are home!!

So...to even approach any understanding of the quotes you posted from 42:2, we must begin with the fact that reality is a creation and is managed and manipulated by Deity and agents of Deity that include personalities, nonpersonal minded beings, and mechanical systems.

Physical realities do not operate merely by physics. There is far more going on than energy, matter, force, mass, momentum, etc.

Evolution is purposeful and progressive and is functional at every level of creation. Even Deity has evolutionary and experiential elements and even the perfect existential First Source and Center and Uncaused Original Cause benefits by and from the experiential and evolutionary beings in creation.

Here's a couple of links for a topical study on "mechanisms" and "organisms":

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... =Mechanism

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... s=Organism

The Urantia Papers offer immense assurance to us mortals that a loving God is in charge of reality and destiny. We are not subjects of chaos and random forces but we live in a friendly universe that is lovingly managed and designed for eternal adventures of discovery and creative expression!!

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116:7.1 (1276.2) The grand universe is not only a material creation of physical grandeur, spirit sublimity, and intellectual magnitude, it is also a magnificent and responsive living organism. There is actual life pulsating throughout the mechanism of the vast creation of the vibrant cosmos. The physical reality of the universes is symbolic of the perceivable reality of the Almighty Supreme; and this material and living organism is penetrated by intelligence circuits, even as the human body is traversed by a network of neural sensation paths. This physical universe is permeated by energy lanes which effectively activate material creation, even as the human body is nourished and energized by the circulatory distribution of the assimilable energy products of nourishment. The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism. But if you only knew something about the physique of a power center, we could, by analogy, tell you so much more about the physical universe.

116:7.2 (1276.3) Much as mortals look to solar energy for life maintenance, so does the grand universe depend upon the unfailing energies emanating from nether Paradise to sustain the material activities and cosmic motions of space.

116:7.3 (1276.4)Mind has been given to mortals wherewith they may become self-conscious of identity and personality; and mind—even a Supreme Mind—has been bestowed upon the totality of the finite whereby the spirit of this emerging personality of the cosmos ever strives for the mastery of energy-matter.

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118:9.4 (1303.5) The grand universe is mechanism as well as organism, mechanical and living—a living mechanism activated by a Supreme Mind, co-ordinating with a Supreme Spirit, and finding expression on maximum levels of power and personality unification as the Supreme Being. But to deny the mechanism of the finite creation is to deny fact and to disregard reality.

118:9.5 (1303.6) Mechanisms are the products of mind, creative mind acting on and in cosmic potentials. Mechanisms are the fixed crystallizations of Creator thought, and they ever function true to the volitional concept that gave them origin. But the purposiveness of any mechanism is in its origin, not in its function.

118:9.6 (1303.7)These mechanisms should not be thought of as limiting the action of Deity; rather is it true that in these very mechanics Deity has achieved one phase of eternal expression. The basic universe mechanisms have come into existence in response to the absolute will of the First Source and Center, and they will therefore eternally function in perfect harmony with the plan of the Infinite; they are, indeed, the nonvolitional patterns of that very plan.

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Welcome back!! Glad you are home!! Thanks! me too!

So...to even approach any understanding of the quotes you posted from 42:2, we must begin with the fact that reality is a creation and is managed and manipulated by Deity and agents of Deity that include personalities, nonpersonal minded beings, and mechanical systems. Exactly! Understood!

Physical realities do not operate merely by physics. There is far more going on than energy, matter, force, mass, momentum, etc. Yes, but there is a sort of autopilot of the universal laws of physics in constant control, right?

Evolution is purposeful and progressive and is functional at every level of creation. Even Deity has evolutionary and experiential elements and even the perfect existential First Source and Center and Uncaused Original Cause benefits by and from the experiential and evolutionary beings in creation. Yes, I understand that, it is mind blowing but nevertheless comprehensible in a sort of Einstein's "faint glimpse" way.

Here's a couple of links for a topical study on "mechanisms" and "organisms":

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... =Mechanism

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... s=Organism

The Urantia Papers offer immense assurance to us mortals that a loving God is in charge of reality and destiny. We are not subjects of chaos and random forces but we live in a friendly universe that is lovingly managed and designed for eternal adventures of discovery and creative expression!! Yes indeed! Very comforting.

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116:7.1 (1276.2) The grand universe is not only a material creation of physical grandeur, spirit sublimity, and intellectual magnitude, it is also a magnificent and responsive living organism. There is actual life pulsating throughout the mechanism of the vast creation of the vibrant cosmos. The physical reality of the universes is symbolic of the perceivable reality of the Almighty Supreme; and this material and living organism is penetrated by intelligence circuits, even as the human body is traversed by a network of neural sensation paths. This physical universe is permeated by energy lanes which effectively activate material creation, even as the human body is nourished and energized by the circulatory distribution of the assimilable energy products of nourishment. The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism. But if you only knew something about the physique of a power center, we could, by analogy, tell you so much more about the physical universe. Let us create man in our image?

116:7.2 (1276.3) Much as mortals look to solar energy for life maintenance, so does the grand universe depend upon the unfailing energies emanating from nether Paradise to sustain the material activities and cosmic motions of space.

116:7.3 (1276.4)Mind has been given to mortals wherewith they may become self-conscious of identity and personality; and mind—even a Supreme Mind—has been bestowed upon the totality of the finite whereby the spirit of this emerging personality of the cosmos ever strives for the mastery of energy-matter.
I love these comparisons, parallels and explanations the UB provides!
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118:9.4 (1303.5) The grand universe is mechanism as well as organism, mechanical and living—a living mechanism activated by a Supreme Mind, co-ordinating with a Supreme Spirit, and finding expression on maximum levels of power and personality unification as the Supreme Being. But to deny the mechanism of the finite creation is to deny fact and to disregard reality. i agree, but I believe that in this thread there have occurred misunderstandings because of statements made in written conjecture and thinking "out loud"

118:9.5 (1303.6) Mechanisms are the products of mind, creative mind acting on and in cosmic potentials. Mechanisms are the fixed crystallizations of Creator thought, and they ever function true to the volitional concept that gave them origin. But the purposiveness of any mechanism is in its origin, not in its function. That is a key point, thanks!

118:9.6 (1303.7)These mechanisms should not be thought of as limiting the action of Deity; rather is it true that in these very mechanics Deity has achieved one phase of eternal expression. The basic universe mechanisms have come into existence in response to the absolute will of the First Source and Center, and they will therefore eternally function in perfect harmony with the plan of the Infinite; they are, indeed, the nonvolitional patterns of that very plan.
Excellent explanation and points, Prof! i appreciate you taking the time to research this and present it here, thanks so much, a great help!


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I (Bradly) posted: "Physical realities do not operate merely by physics. There is far more going on than energy, matter, force, mass, momentum, etc."

You (pethuel) replied: "Yes, but there is a sort of autopilot of the universal laws of physics in constant control, right? :x"

Fascinating question!!

Yes....and no!! :wink:

The Urantia Papers say that God is the "upholder" of all reality, including material reality.

I agree certainly that there are "universal laws of physics" that are automatic cause and effect reciprocation that preclude and prevent chaos and apply universal and predictable patterns for the more creative personalities who manage and manipulate those material realities of nonpersonal relationships.

But...the laws of physics are very dependent on personal beings and minded but impersonal/nonpersonal agents/agencies presented in the text as critical to the creation and functionality of those material realities and related laws of physics too!

So...the laws of physics are not really "in constant control" so much, perhaps, as they are predictable reciprocations, or cause and effect relationships of matter and energy(?). There really are personalities and agents/agencies of Deity that are in control.

Material reality is growing by area, matter, energy, etc. by creationist, both within the current 7 Super Universes and in the Outer Space Levels (estimated in the UB to become 700,000 times bigger than the current 7 Super Universes. No part of evolutionary reality is fixed or static; there is always more and more of everything.

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1:0.1 (21.1)THE Universal Father is the God of all creation, the First Source and Center of all things and beings. First think of God as a creator, then as a controller, and lastly as an infinite upholder. .....

4:1.6 (55.4)The Universal Father has not withdrawn from the management of the universes; he is not an inactive Deity. If God should retire as the present upholder of all creation, there would immediately occur a universal collapse. Except for God, there would be no such thing as reality. At this very moment, as during the remote ages of the past and in the eternal future, God continues to uphold. The divine reach extends around the circle of eternity. The universe is not wound up like a clock to run just so long and then cease to function; all things are constantly being renewed. The Father unceasingly pours forth energy, light, and life. The work of God is literal as well as spiritual. “He stretches out the north over the empty space and hangs the earth upon nothing.”

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As an example...just ahead in Paper 42:

42:4.3 (473.1)The power centers and their associates are much concerned in the work of transmuting the ultimaton into the circuits and revolutions of the electron. These unique beings control and compound power by their skillful manipulation of the basic units of materialized energy, the ultimatons. They are masters of energy as it circulates in this primitive state. In liaison with the physical controllers they are able to effectively control and direct energy even after it has transmuted to the electrical level, the so-called electronic stage. But their range of action is enormously curtailed when electronically organized energy swings into the whirls of the atomic systems. Upon such materialization, these energies fall under the complete grasp of the drawing power of linear gravity.

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It would be interesting to study those agents and agencies which transmit and transmute and transfer and transform and modulate and regulate the material and energy elements of reality and the related physics of material realities presented in the UB.

For example, Paper 29 offers important information very relevant to our study of Paper 42:

29:0.1 (319.1)OF ALL the universe personalities concerned in the regulation of interplanetary and interuniverse affairs, the power directors and their associates have been the least understood on Urantia. While your races have long known of the existence of angels and similar orders of celestial beings, little information concerning the controllers and regulators of the physical domain has ever been imparted. Even now I am permitted fully to disclose only the last of the following three groups of living beings having to do with force control and energy regulation in the master universe:

29:0.2 (319.2)1. Primary Eventuated Master Force Organizers.

29:0.3 (319.3)2. Associate Transcendental Master Force Organizers.

29:0.4 (319.4)3. Universe Power Directors.

29:0.5 (319.5)Though I deem it impossible to portray the individuality of the various groups of directors, centers, and controllers of universe power, I hope to be able to explain something about the domain of their activities. They are a unique group of living beings having to do with the intelligent regulation of energy throughout the grand universe. Including the supreme directors, they embrace the following major divisions:

29:0.6 (319.6)1. The Seven Supreme Power Directors.

29:0.7 (319.7)2. The Supreme Power Centers.

29:0.8 (319.8)3. The Master Physical Controllers.

29:0.9 (319.9)4. The Morontia Power Supervisors.

29:0.10 (319.10)The Supreme Power Directors and Centers have existed from the near times of eternity, and as far as we know, no more beings of these orders have been created. The Seven Supreme Directors were personalized by the Seven Master Spirits, and then they collaborated with their parents in the production of more than ten billion associates. Before the days of the power directors the energy circuits of space outside of the central universe were under the intelligent supervision of the Master Force Organizers of Paradise.

29:0.11 (319.11)Having knowledge about material creatures, you have at least a contrastive conception of spiritual beings; but it is very difficult for the mortal mind to envisage the power directors. In the scheme of ascendant progression to higher levels of existence you have nothing directly to do with either the supreme directors or the power centers. On certain rare occasions you will have dealings with the physical controllers, and you will work freely with the supervisors of morontia power upon reaching the mansion worlds. These Morontia Power Supervisors function so exclusively in the morontia regime of the local creations that it is deemed best to narrate their activities in the section dealing with the local universe.

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4:2.1 (56.5)Nature is in a limited sense the physical habit of God. The conduct, or action, of God is qualified and provisionally modified by the experimental plans and the evolutionary patterns of a local universe, a constellation, a system, or a planet. God acts in accordance with a well-defined, unchanging, immutable law throughout the wide-spreading master universe; but he modifies the patterns of his action so as to contribute to the co-ordinate and balanced conduct of each universe, constellation, system, planet, and personality in accordance with the local objects, aims, and plans of the finite projects of evolutionary unfolding.

4:2.2 (56.6)Therefore, nature, as mortal man understands it, presents the underlying foundation and fundamental background of a changeless Deity and his immutable laws, modified by, fluctuating because of, and experiencing upheavals through, the working of the local plans, purposes, patterns, and conditions which have been inaugurated and are being carried out by the local universe, constellation, system, and planetary forces and personalities. For example: As God’s laws have been ordained in Nebadon, they are modified by the plans established by the Creator Son and Creative Spirit of this local universe; and in addition to all this the operation of these laws has been further influenced by the errors, defaults, and insurrections of certain beings resident upon your planet and belonging to your immediate planetary system of Satania.

4:2.3 (56.7) Nature is a time-space resultant of two cosmic factors: first, the immutability, perfection, and rectitude of Paradise Deity, and second, the experimental plans, executive blunders, insurrectionary errors, incompleteness of development, and imperfection of wisdom of the extra-Paradise creatures, from the highest to the lowest. Nature therefore carries a uniform, unchanging, majestic, and marvelous thread of perfection from the circle of eternity; but in each universe, on each planet, and in each individual life, this nature is modified, qualified, and perchance marred by the acts, the mistakes, and the disloyalties of the creatures of the evolutionary systems and universes; and therefore must nature ever be of a changing mood, whimsical withal, though stable underneath, and varied in accordance with the operating procedures of a local universe.

4:2.4 (57.1)Nature is the perfection of Paradise divided by the incompletion, evil, and sin of the unfinished universes. This quotient is thus expressive of both the perfect and the partial, of both the eternal and the temporal. Continuing evolution modifies nature by augmenting the content of Paradise perfection and by diminishing the content of the evil, error, and disharmony of relative reality.

4:2.5 (57.2)God is not personally present in nature or in any of the forces of nature, for the phenomenon of nature is the superimposition of the imperfections of progressive evolution and, sometimes, the consequences of insurrectionary rebellion, upon the Paradise foundations of God’s universal law. As it appears on such a world as Urantia, nature can never be the adequate expression, the true representation, the faithful portrayal, of an all-wise and infinite God.

4:2.6 (57.3)Nature, on your world, is a qualification of the laws of perfection by the evolutionary plans of the local universe. What a travesty to worship nature because it is in a limited, qualified sense pervaded by God; because it is a phase of the universal and, therefore, divine power! Nature also is a manifestation of the unfinished, the incomplete, the imperfect outworkings of the development, growth, and progress of a universe experiment in cosmic evolution.

4:2.7 (57.4)The apparent defects of the natural world are not indicative of any such corresponding defects in the character of God. Rather are such observed imperfections merely the inevitable stop-moments in the exhibition of the ever-moving reel of infinity picturization. It is these very defect-interruptions of perfection-continuity which make it possible for the finite mind of material man to catch a fleeting glimpse of divine reality in time and space. The material manifestations of divinity appear defective to the evolutionary mind of man only because mortal man persists in viewing the phenomena of nature through natural eyes, human vision unaided by morontia mota or by revelation, its compensatory substitute on the worlds of time.

4:2.8 (57.5)And nature is marred, her beautiful face is scarred, her features are seared, by the rebellion, the misconduct, the misthinking of the myriads of creatures who are a part of nature, but who have contributed to her disfigurement in time. No, nature is not God. Nature is not an object of worship.

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Consider the effects of evolutionary perfecting on creation and the new causes of effects by the experiential wisdom gained by Deity and the children of time in the universes to come in the eternal adventures and future!!

So...the universe of universes is not only growing in its vastness but it is increasingly affected by the experiential Deities' control and manipulations as more and more potentials are realized and actualized by the perfecting in time of the growing universes of time.

There's a lot going on with so many dynamics of flux and metamorphic transformation and transmutation.

The reliance on physics by human science to explain material reality can never be confirmed and will never explain what we observe of reality.

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4:1.8 (55.6)I am entirely competent to trace out and to analyze the working of all phenomena directly resulting from the functioning of the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, the Infinite Spirit, and, to a large extent, the Isle of Paradise. My perplexity is occasioned by encountering what appears to be the performance of their mysterious co-ordinates, the three Absolutes of potentiality. These Absolutes seem to supersede matter, to transcend mind, and to supervene spirit. I am constantly confused and often perplexed by my inability to comprehend these complex transactions which I attribute to the presences and performances of the Unqualified Absolute, the Deity Absolute, and the Universal Absolute.

4:1.9 (56.1)These Absolutes must be the not-fully-revealed presences abroad in the universe which, in the phenomena of space potency and in the function of other superultimates, render it impossible for physicists, philosophers, or even religionists to predict with certainty as to just how the primordials of force, concept, or spirit will respond to demands made in a complex reality situation involving supreme adjustments and ultimate values.

4:1.10 (56.2)There is also an organic unity in the universes of time and space which seems to underlie the whole fabric of cosmic events. This living presence of the evolving Supreme Being, this Immanence of the Projected Incomplete, is inexplicably manifested ever and anon by what appears to be an amazingly fortuitous co-ordination of apparently unrelated universe happenings. This must be the function of Providence—the realm of the Supreme Being and the Conjoint Actor.

4:1.11 (56.3)I am inclined to believe that it is this far-flung and generally unrecognizable control of the co-ordination and interassociation of all phases and forms of universe activity that causes such a variegated and apparently hopelessly confused medley of physical, mental, moral, and spiritual phenomena so unerringly to work out to the glory of God and for the good of men and angels.

4:1.12 (56.4)But in the larger sense the apparent “accidents” of the cosmos are undoubtedly a part of the finite drama of the time-space adventure of the Infinite in his eternal manipulation of the Absolutes.

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From my post above: "Material reality is growing by area, matter, energy, etc. by creationist, both within the current 7 Super Universes and in the Outer Space Levels (estimated in the UB to become 700,000 times bigger than the current 7 Super Universes. No part of evolutionary reality is fixed or static; there is always more and more of everything."


"creationist" above should be "creationism". Auto correction error.

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4:1.8 (55.6)I am entirely competent to trace out and to analyze the working of all phenomena directly resulting from the functioning of the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, the Infinite Spirit, and, to a large extent, the Isle of Paradise. My perplexity is occasioned by encountering what appears to be the performance of their mysterious co-ordinates, the three Absolutes of potentiality. These Absolutes seem to supersede matter, to transcend mind, and to supervene spirit. I am constantly confused and often perplexed by my inability to comprehend these complex transactions which I attribute to the presences and performances of the Unqualified Absolute, the Deity Absolute, and the Universal Absolute. This guy's humility really shines forth and shows how we never stop learning and will always face challenges to our understanding.

4:1.9 (56.1)These Absolutes must be the not-fully-revealed presences abroad in the universe which, in the phenomena of space potency and in the function of other superultimates, render it impossible for physicists, philosophers, or even religionists to predict with certainty as to just how the primordials of force, concept, or spirit will respond to demands made in a complex reality situation involving supreme adjustments and ultimate values.
He seems to be saying, "sorry folks, this is on a need to know basis."

4:1.10 (56.2)There is also an organic unity in the universes of time and space which seems to underlie the whole fabric of cosmic events. This living presence of the evolving Supreme Being, this Immanence of the Projected Incomplete, is inexplicably manifested ever and anon by what appears to be an amazingly fortuitous co-ordination of apparently unrelated universe happenings. This must be the function of Providence—the realm of the Supreme Being and the Conjoint Actor. wow, talk about spooky action at a distance! Big time!

4:1.11 (56.3)I am inclined to believe that it is this far-flung and generally unrecognizable control of the co-ordination and interassociation of all phases and forms of universe activity that causes such a variegated (varied) and apparently hopelessly confused medley of physical, mental, moral, and spiritual phenomena so unerringly to work out to the glory of God and for the good of men and angels. AMAZING STATEMENT

4:1.12 (56.4)But in the larger sense the apparent “accidents” of the cosmos are undoubtedly a part of the finite drama of the time-space adventure of the Infinite in his eternal manipulation of the Absolutes.
Yes, because no matter what happens we have the assurance of our trust and belief that He is in control whether we understand the whys and wherefores or not.


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116:7.1 (1276.2) The grand universe is not only a material creation of physical grandeur, spirit sublimity, and intellectual magnitude, it is also a magnificent and responsive living organism. There is actual life pulsating throughout the mechanism of the vast creation of the vibrant cosmos. The physical reality of the universes is symbolic of the perceivable reality of the Almighty Supreme; and this material and living organism is penetrated by intelligence circuits, even as the human body is traversed by a network of neural sensation paths. This physical universe is permeated by energy lanes which effectively activate material creation, even as the human body is nourished and energized by the circulatory distribution of the assimilable energy products of nourishment. The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism. But if you only knew something about the physique of a power center, we could, by analogy, tell you so much more about the physical universe.



Me here Then I asked "Let us create man in our image?"

As I was reading this morning in Paper 117 I came across this passage which answers my question:


117:3.5 (1281.7)Mortal man is more than figuratively made in the image of God. From a physical standpoint this statement is hardly true, but with reference to certain universe potentialities it is an actual fact. In the human race, something of the same drama of evolutionary attainment is being unfolded as takes place, on a vastly larger scale, in the universe of universes. Man, a volitional personality, becomes creative in liaison with an Adjuster, an impersonal entity, in the presence of the finite potentialities of the Supreme, and the result is the flowering of an immortal soul. In the universes the Creator personalities of time and space function in liaison with the impersonal spirit of the Paradise Trinity and become thereby creative of a new power potential of Deity reality.


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pethuel wrote:
"Let us create man in our image?"
UB 32:2.8 wrote:
"And then, when such a universe has been so completely organized and so repletely manned, does the Creator Son enter into the Father’s proposal to create mortal man in their divine image." (32:2.8, 359.5)


Which makes one pause to consider: when seraphim look at us, they must be mindful not only of our confusion and struggles, but also of the fragment of the First Source and Center incarnate in our baby souls.

No wonder they tend to be patient with us :biggrin:

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Which makes one pause to consider: when seraphim look at us, they must be mindful not only of our confusion and struggles, but also of the fragment of the First Source and Center incarnate in our baby souls.

No wonder they tend to be patient with us :biggrin:

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The most amazing mystery... even the wisest of the wise can't explain how this happens.

It makes me wonder; is the purpose of all creation to make the mission of the Thought Adjusters possible?


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Pethuel writes: "The most amazing mystery... even the wisest of the wise can't explain how this happens.

It makes me wonder; is the purpose of all creation to make the mission of the Thought Adjusters possible?"


Interesting question! It amazes me to discover that creationism is, apparently, endless. So is evolutionary and experiential perfecting! The UB teaches that God does nothing someone else can do. Creationism is an infinite collaboration between the personalities God creates, one to the other and each with God and all as God the Supreme.

Partnership. Teamwork. Progress.

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4:0.1 (54.1)THE Universal Father has an eternal purpose pertaining to the material, intellectual, and spiritual phenomena of the universe of universes, which he is executing throughout all time. God created the universes of his own free and sovereign will, and he created them in accordance with his all-wise and eternal purpose. It is doubtful whether anyone except the Paradise Deities and their highest associates really knows very much about the eternal purpose of God. Even the exalted citizens of Paradise hold very diverse opinions about the nature of the eternal purpose of the Deities.

4:0.2 (54.2)It is easy to deduce that the purpose in creating the perfect central universe of Havona was purely the satisfaction of the divine nature. Havona may serve as the pattern creation for all other universes and as the finishing school for the pilgrims of time on their way to Paradise; however, such a supernal creation must exist primarily for the pleasure and satisfaction of the perfect and infinite Creators.

4:0.3 (54.3)The amazing plan for perfecting evolutionary mortals and, after their attainment of Paradise and the Corps of the Finality, providing further training for some undisclosed future work, does seem to be, at present, one of the chief concerns of the seven superuniverses and their many subdivisions; but this ascension scheme for spiritualizing and training the mortals of time and space is by no means the exclusive occupation of the universe intelligences. There are, indeed, many other fascinating pursuits which occupy the time and enlist the energies of the celestial hosts.

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