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People believe that we live a reality within a reality, also known as a simulation within a simulation.

Does the paper prove this, explaining these conscious adapters which will be connected continuously with a higher expanded mind through the evolution of the soul?


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People believe that we live a reality within a reality, also known as a simulation within a simulation.

Does the paper prove this, explaining these conscious adapters which will be connected continuously with a higher expanded mind through the evolution of the soul?


Very interesting question to consider.

BongBong says: "People believe..."

Don't you mean some people??

Actually...some people do believe we humans perceive and live within a non-reality of artificial construction (or projection) of illusionary imagery - or imitative representation - created/managed by some AI which is created and controlled by some advanced alien species.... or the gods even.

In this way we are imaginary. Our interactions and relationships are illusionary unrealities. Our perceptions of this unreality and the unreality itself is a manipulation of and by some other agents or agency.

But of the 7 billion souls on Urantia I would estimate that very few people believe that their reality, or any reality anywhere, is a "simulation".

And NO, the UB does NOT support such a fantasy and fiction. In fact, the Urantia Papers directly dispute such beliefs.

Makes a great movie though. Science fiction is fictional. Much, or even most of human science has proven to be fictional constructs by the functionality of the scientific method in conflict with our creative imaginations and speculations. Science seeks to understand and explain what it does not understand and cannot explain. It invents and "simulates" explanations for our perceptions of reality.

Reality itself cannot be a simulation. A simulation cannot be reality, no more how real a simulation may appear.

But reality can be known. Qualitatively and quantitatively and far more objectively than mortals may perceive at this early point in our ascendant careers.

The unconstrained speculations of human imagination are a most fascinating aspect of mind. Especially mind that is limited in knowledge, understanding, experience, and wisdom...human mind is most susceptible to delusional metaphysical contortionism!!

Aren't evolution and manipulated simulation self contradictory concepts? Can you "simulate" freewill outcomes by trillions of trillions of progressive beings gaing experiential wisdom by spiritization over time?

No...you cannot. The fluidity dynamics of freewill evolutionary progress by personal spiritization and experiential wisdom acquired over time could not be simulated or fantacized/imagined/projected.

I am confused by the "reality within a reality" somehow being a simulation (which is not and cannot be a reality) within another simulation. How can one unreality create and manipulate a second unreality?? Cannot.

The Urantia Papers claim to be a factual presentation of universe reality. They are presented to humanity to correct our collective misunderstanding and false perceptions and to reduce confusion about how the universe functions, it's origins, it's destiny, and our relationship to that universe reality.

Believe it... or not.

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What makes your question interesting, related to the Papers, is the concepts presented there by which material reality is the shadow of and pattern replication of spiritual realities. This does not mean or make material reality a simulation, or non-reality, however.

Let me suggest reading Paper 12!! :idea:

12:8.15 (140.11)In cosmic evolution matter becomes a philosophic shadow cast by mind in the presence of spirit luminosity of divine enlightenment, but this does not invalidate the reality of matter-energy. Mind, matter, and spirit are equally real, but they are not of equal value to personality in the attainment of divinity. Consciousness of divinity is a progressive spiritual experience.

12:8.16 (141.1)The brighter the shining of the spiritualized personality (the Father in the universe, the fragment of potential spirit personality in the individual creature), the greater the shadow cast by the intervening mind upon its material investment. In time, man’s body is just as real as mind or spirit, but in death, both mind (identity) and spirit survive while the body does not. A cosmic reality can be nonexistent in personality experience. And so your Greek figure of speech—the material as the shadow of the more real spirit substance—does have a philosophic significance.

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It is interesting to note that, according to the Papers, ascendant mortals are among the few beings in the universe of universes that will come to perceive every and all levels of reality - material, morontial, and pure spirit. Those from the lowest level of material, evolutionary reality will come to perceive the entirety of creation.

Such a teaching certainly contradicts the fallacy that there are different realities or simulations of reality. There is only one reality. But there are multiple levels of an integrated reality united by a single First Source and Center, the existential personality without beginning or end who has created perfected AND perfecting realities which are joined together in purpose and destiny, as well as origin.

But none of this universe reality can be construed as a simulation except by those who do not perceive the harmonious integration of the perfect, perfected, and perfecting levels of a very singular reality that is expanding and progressive - a reality that is an endless, perpetual engine of cause and effect whereby the effects become further, and endless, causes for evermore effects.

The realization and actualization of potential unleashes an endless stream, or fountain, of even more potentials for more realization. Reality is a planned and managed engine of more and greater reality, realized progressively and perfecting eternally by the very nature of this integrated, singular reality that grows in size and capacity and wisdom and potential and in power and realized perfection by the perfecting tools of time and freewill in a universe of personalities expressing selfhood and individualization with mind and spirit, all with direct Deity Connections!!

A fascinating feature of this singular reality is its impervious indifference to any personality's perception or understanding of reality. Only God - the First Source and Center - has an absolute and objective perspective and perceptions of the reality created by God.

Reality is not determined or defined or limited or changed by the perceptions of the beings within reality.

No simulation can deliver more reality or a progressive reality that unifies and harmonizes the entirety of reality.

The experiential and subjective perceptions of reality in no way determines reality itself.

But don't take my word for it...read the book! :!: :wink:

Those who believe reality is a simulation or "simulation within a simulation" simply seek some greater understanding of reality; a noble and worthwhile quest to be sure!

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44:0.15 (498.6)All these activities of the morontia and spirit worlds are real. To spirit beings the spirit world is a reality. To us the material world is the more unreal. The higher forms of spirits freely pass through ordinary matter. High spirits are reactive to nothing material excepting certain of the basic energies. To material beings the spirit world is more or less unreal; to spirit beings the material world is almost entirely unreal, being merely a shadow of the substance of spirit realities.

44:0.16 (498.7)I cannot, with exclusive spirit vision, perceive the building in which this narrative is being translated and recorded. A Divine Counselor from Uversa who chances to stand by my side perceives still less of these purely material creations. We discern how these material structures appear to you by viewing a spirit counterpart presented to our minds by one of our attending energy transformers. This material building is not exactly real to me, a spirit being, but it is, of course, very real and very serviceable to material mortals.

44:0.17 (498.8)There are certain types of beings who are capable of discerning the reality of the creatures of both the spirit and the material worlds. Belonging to this class are the so-called fourth creatures of the Havona Servitals and the fourth creatures of the conciliators. The angels of time and space are endowed with the ability to discern both spirit and material beings as also are the ascending mortals subsequent to deliverance from the life in the flesh. After attainment of the higher spirit levels the ascenders are able to recognize material, morontia, and spirit realities.

44:0.18 (498.9)There is also here with me a Mighty Messenger from Uversa, an ascendant Adjuster-fused, onetime mortal being, and he perceives you as you are, and at the same time he visualizes the Solitary Messenger, the supernaphim, and other celestial beings present. Never in your long ascendancy will you lose the power to recognize your associates of former existences. Always, as you ascend inward in the scale of life, will you retain the ability to recognize and fraternize with the fellow beings of your previous and lower levels of experience. Each new translation or resurrection will add one more group of spirit beings to your vision range without in the least depriving you of the ability to recognize your friends and fellows of former estates.

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What about parallel worlds? It is also known as the many world theories from quantum physics.


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What about parallel worlds? It is also known as the many world theories from quantum physics.


According to Wiki:

"Alternate reality often refers to parallel universes in fiction, a self-contained separate world, universe or reality coexisting with the real world, which is used as a recurring plot point or setting used in fantasy and science fiction.

Parallel universe may refer to:

Science

Many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, which implies the existence of parallel universes. Multiverse, the sum of all universes, e.g. everything that exists.

Philosophy

Possible world, a construct in metaphysics to bring rigor to talk of logical possibility. Modal realism, an account of possible worlds according to which they are all just as real as the actual world. Extended modal realism, the view that all worlds, possible as well as impossible, are as real as the actual world."


So....

"Parallel worlds" covers a lot of diverse mythologies and imaginative sci-fi premises, as well as some pretty radical so-called scientific theories. So I guess it depends on what context and definition your inquiry is based on but, according to the Papers, each personality from time and in time exists in a singular, unified universe reality.

Those who originate in time live in a single progressive and experiential and sequential life with one selfhood and mind and being per personality. We are not aware of living "parallel' lives in multiple universes because that doesn't happen.

According to the Urantia Papers, many (even most perhaps) human mythologies are distortions of fact and originate from the times of Dalmatia and the Garden. And scientific inquiry leads to the invention of explanations for what is perceived or inferred, for which humans imagine possible explanations (some more plausible and some more irrational than others) about reality's causes and effects.

So...parallel universes...an interesting concept. The UB teaches there is a "universe of universes". Realty exists on 3 distinct levels: the material universes, the morontia universes, and the spirit universe of Havona/Paradise. However, all 3 levels of universe reality are a singular and integrated universe reality and all 3 are known by and shared by all the personalities of creation.

There are not different or separate or disparate universes or realities segregated by or as projections or simulations or awareness. Simulation and parallel universe theories are attempting to explain the limited human reality perspective crippled and shackled by the pursuit of Godless explanations for what cannot and will never be explained without the First Source and Center of all creation.

Or so I understand the Papers to teach us.

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0:1.1 (2.1)The universe of universes presents phenomena of deity activities on diverse levels of cosmic realities, mind meanings, and spirit values, but all of these ministrations—personal or otherwise—are divinely co-ordinated.

0:5.12 (9.2) Morontia is a term designating a vast level intervening between the material and the spiritual. It may designate personal or impersonal realities, living or nonliving energies. The warp of morontia is spiritual; its woof is physical.

VI. Energy and Pattern

0:6.1 (9.3)Any and all things responding to the personality circuit of the Father, we call personal. Any and all things responding to the spirit circuit of the Son, we call spirit. Any and all that responds to the mind circuit of the Conjoint Actor, we call mind, mind as an attribute of the Infinite Spirit—mind in all its phases. Any and all that responds to the material-gravity circuit centering in nether Paradise, we call matter—energy-matter in all its metamorphic states.

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1:0.2 (21.2)The myriads of planetary systems were all made to be eventually inhabited by many different types of intelligent creatures, beings who could know God, receive the divine affection, and love him in return. The universe of universes is the work of God and the dwelling place of his diverse creatures. “God created the heavens and formed the earth; he established the universe and created this world not in vain; he formed it to be inhabited.”

1:2.1 (23.4)God is primal reality in the spirit world; God is the source of truth in the mind spheres; God overshadows all throughout the material realms. To all created intelligences God is a personality, and to the universe of universes he is the First Source and Center of eternal reality. God is neither manlike nor machinelike. The First Father is universal spirit, eternal truth, infinite reality, and father personality.

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11:0.1 (118.1)PARADISE is the eternal center of the universe of universes and the abiding place of the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, the Infinite Spirit, and their divine co-ordinates and associates. This central Isle is the most gigantic organized body of cosmic reality in all the master universe. Paradise is a material sphere as well as a spiritual abode. All of the intelligent creation of the Universal Father is domiciled on material abodes; hence must the absolute controlling center also be material, literal. And again it should be reiterated that spirit things and spiritual beings are real.

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56:0.1 (637.1) GOD is unity. Deity is universally co-ordinated. The universe of universes is one vast integrated mechanism which is absolutely controlled by one infinite mind. The physical, intellectual, and spiritual domains of universal creation are divinely correlated. The perfect and imperfect are truly interrelated, and therefore may the finite evolutionary creature ascend to Paradise in obedience to the Universal Father’s mandate: “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect.”

56:9.14 (646.1) The universe of universes is altogether unified. God is one in power and personality. There is co-ordination of all levels of energy and all phases of personality. Philosophically and experientially, in concept and in reality, all things and beings center in the Paradise Father. God is all and in all, and no things or beings exist without him.

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Hope this helps!! :wink:

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To be clear and reiterate an important fact about the forum/study group here at Truthbook: we gather here to study the universe reality perspective presented to humanity by the celestial authors of the Epochal Revelation known as the Urantia Papers.

A rewarding method of studying the Papers is by comparative analysis, measuring and contrasting human beliefs, scientific theories, cosmologies, fables and mythologies, and religious creeds and doctrine and primitive superstitions with the universe reality perspective presented in the UB.

My posts/answers/responses here are not intended to be statements of fact or personal opinions about universe reality but, rather, a discourse/discussion of the universe perspective presented in the Papers. To accept or reject that perspective and the claims within the UB are up to each student.

My understanding is that the UB clearly contradicts the so called Big Bang Theory and every subsequently related theory which attempts to validate or justify such a Godless human perspective. The attempt to prove a falsehood will lead science down many rabbit holes of distortions and contortions.

Every Local Universe is unique in many ways compared to all others. Each is a creative expression of a Divine personality within the constraints of universal physics which has a specific, individual point in time, sequential origin and evolutionary development over time. There are 700,000 such unique creations in time, each a universe of its own in the 7 Super Universes of time...the universe of universes!!

Not one of those universes is a projection or simulation or duplicate or "parallel" reality.

Same with each personality of selfhood...only one of each, unique from all others. Each beloved as a child of God.

Or so I understand the Papers to teach us.

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Paper 32

The Evolution of Local Universes
32:0.1 (357.1)A LOCAL universe is the handiwork of a Creator Son of the Paradise order of Michael. It comprises one hundred constellations, each embracing one hundred systems of inhabited worlds. Each system will eventually contain approximately one thousand inhabited spheres.

32:0.2 (357.2)These universes of time and space are all evolutionary. The creative plan of the Paradise Michaels always proceeds along the path of gradual evolvement and progressive development of the physical, intellectual, and spiritual natures and capacities of the manifold creatures who inhabit the varied orders of spheres comprising such a local universe.

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People believe that we live a reality within a reality, also known as a simulation within a simulation.

Does the paper prove this, explaining these conscious adapters which will be connected continuously with a higher expanded mind through the evolution of the soul?


"...conscious adapters which will be connected continuously with a higher expanded mind through the evolution of the soul?"

Some interesting terms and concepts here in the original post which are described in the Papers. Mind in time is experiential, which is adaptive and progressive. Mind expands by its spiritization and wisdom acquired. The mortal soul is an elevated form of morontia mind, liberated from the evolutionary connection of the Adjutant Mind Spirits to material mind.

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6. The Seven Psychic Circles

110:6.1 (1209.1)The sum total of personality realization on a material world is contained within the successive conquest of the seven psychic circles of mortal potentiality. Entrance upon the seventh circle marks the beginning of true human personality function. Completion of the first circle denotes the relative maturity of the mortal being. Though the traversal of the seven circles of cosmic growth does not equal fusion with the Adjuster, the mastery of these circles marks the attainment of those steps which are preliminary to Adjuster fusion.

110:6.2 (1209.2)The Adjuster is your equal partner in the attainment of the seven circles—the achievement of comparative mortal maturity. The Adjuster ascends the circles with you from the seventh to the first but progresses to the status of supremacy and self-activity quite independent of the active co-operation of the mortal mind.

110:6.3 (1209.3)The psychic circles are not exclusively intellectual, neither are they wholly morontial; they have to do with personality status, mind attainment, soul growth, and Adjuster attunement. The successful traversal of these levels demands the harmonious functioning of the entire personality, not merely of some one phase thereof. The growth of the parts does not equal the true maturation of the whole; the parts really grow in proportion to the expansion of the entire self—the whole self—material, intellectual, and spiritual.

110:6.4 (1209.4)When the development of the intellectual nature proceeds faster than that of the spiritual, such a situation renders communication with the Thought Adjuster both difficult and dangerous. Likewise, overspiritual development tends to produce a fanatical and perverted interpretation of the spirit leadings of the divine indweller. Lack of spiritual capacity makes it very difficult to transmit to such a material intellect the spiritual truths resident in the higher superconsciousness. It is to the mind of perfect poise, housed in a body of clean habits, stabilized neural energies, and balanced chemical function—when the physical, mental, and spiritual powers are in triune harmony of development—that a maximum of light and truth can be imparted with a minimum of temporal danger or risk to the real welfare of such a being. By such a balanced growth does man ascend the circles of planetary progression one by one, from the seventh to the first.

110:6.16 (1211.1)Perhaps these psychic circles of mortal progression would be better denominated cosmic levels—actual meaning grasps and value realizations of progressive approach to the morontia consciousness of initial relationship of the evolutionary soul with the emerging Supreme Being. And it is this very relationship that makes it forever impossible fully to explain the significance of the cosmic circles to the material mind. These circle attainments are only relatively related to God-consciousness. A seventh or sixth circler can be almost as truly God-knowing—sonship conscious—as a second or first circler, but such lower circle beings are far less conscious of experiential relation to the Supreme Being, universe citizenship. The attainment of these cosmic circles will become a part of the ascenders’ experience on the mansion worlds if they fail of such achievement before natural death.

110:6.17 (1211.2)The motivation of faith makes experiential the full realization of man’s sonship with God, but action, completion of decisions, is essential to the evolutionary attainment of consciousness of progressive kinship with the cosmic actuality of the Supreme Being. Faith transmutes potentials to actuals in the spiritual world, but potentials become actuals in the finite realms of the Supreme only by and through the realization of choice-experience. But choosing to do the will of God joins spiritual faith to material decisions in personality action and thus supplies a divine and spiritual fulcrum for the more effective functioning of the human and material leverage of God-hunger. Such a wise co-ordination of material and spiritual forces greatly augments both cosmic realization of the Supreme and morontia comprehension of the Paradise Deities.

110:6.18 (1211.3)The mastery of the cosmic circles is related to the quantitative growth of the morontia soul, the comprehension of supreme meanings. But the qualitative status of this immortal soul is wholly dependent on the grasp of living faith upon the Paradise-potential fact-value that mortal man is a son of the eternal God. Therefore does a seventh circler go on to the mansion worlds to attain further quantitative realization of cosmic growth just as does a second or even a first circler.

110:6.19 (1211.4)There is only an indirect relation between cosmic-circle attainment and actual spiritual religious experience; such attainments are reciprocal and therefore mutually beneficial. Purely spiritual development may have little to do with planetary material prosperity, but circle attainment always augments the potential of human success and mortal achievement.

110:6.20 (1211.5)From the seventh to the third circle there occurs increased and unified action of the seven adjutant mind-spirits in the task of weaning the mortal mind from its dependence on the realities of the material life mechanisms preparatory to increased introduction to morontia levels of experience. From the third circle onward the adjutant influence progressively diminishes.

110:6.21 (1211.6) The seven circles embrace mortal experience extending from the highest purely animal level to the lowest actual contactual morontia level of self-consciousness as a personality experience. The mastery of the first cosmic circle signalizes the attainment of premorontia mortal maturity and marks the termination of the conjoint ministry of the adjutant mind-spirits as an exclusive influence of mind action in the human personality. Beyond the first circle, mind becomes increasingly akin to the intelligence of the morontia stage of evolution, the conjoined ministry of the cosmic mind and the superadjutant endowment of the Creative Spirit of a local universe.

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What about parallel worlds? It is also known as the many world theories from quantum physics.


Wiki Many worlds theories:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-wo ... iverse.%20

Related to the "many worlds theories from quantum physics" is "determinism":

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism

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"Determinism may commonly refer to any of the following viewpoints.

Causal

Causal determinism, sometimes synonymous with historical determinism (a sort of path dependence), is "the idea that every event is necessitated by antecedent events and conditions together with the laws of nature."[5] However, it is a broad enough term to consider that:[6]

...One's deliberations, choices, and actions will often be necessary links in the causal chain that brings something about. In other words, even though our deliberations, choices, and actions are themselves determined like everything else, it is still the case, according to causal determinism, that the occurrence or existence of yet other things depends upon our deliberating, choosing and acting in a certain way.

Causal determinism proposes that there is an unbroken chain of prior occurrences stretching back to the origin of the universe. The relation between events and the origin of the universe may not be specified. Causal determinists believe that there is nothing in the universe that has no cause or is self-caused. Causal determinism has also been considered more generally as the idea that everything that happens or exists is caused by antecedent conditions.[7] In the case of nomological determinism, these conditions are considered events also, implying that the future is determined completely by preceding events—a combination of prior states of the universe and the laws of nature.[5] These conditions can also be considered metaphysical in origin (such as in the case of theological determinism).[6]


Many philosophical theories of determinism frame themselves with the idea that reality follows a sort of predetermined path.

Nomological

Nomological determinism is the most common form of causal determinism and is generally synonymous with physical determinism. This is the notion that the past and the present dictate the future entirely and necessarily by rigid natural laws and that every occurrence inevitably results from prior events. Nomological determinism is sometimes illustrated by the thought experiment of Laplace's demon.[8] Although sometimes called scientific determinism, the term is a misnomer for nomological determinism.

Necessitarianism

Necessitarianism is a metaphysical principle that denies all mere possibility and maintains that there is only one possible way for the world to exist. Leucippus claimed there are no uncaused events and that everything occurs for a reason and by necessity.[9]

Predeterminism

Predeterminism is the idea that all events are determined in advance.[10][11] The concept is often argued by invoking causal determinism, implying that there is an unbroken chain of prior occurrences stretching back to the origin of the universe. In the case of predeterminism, this chain of events has been pre-established, and human actions cannot interfere with the outcomes of this pre-established chain.

Predeterminism can be categorized as a specific type of determinism when it is used to mean pre-established causal determinism.[10][12] It can also be used interchangeably with causal determinism—in the context of its capacity to determine future events.[10][13] However, predeterminism is often considered as independent of causal determinism.[14][15]

Biological

The term predeterminism is also frequently used in the context of biology and heredity, in which case it represents a form of biological determinism, sometimes called genetic determinism.[16] Biological determinism is the idea that all human behaviors, beliefs, and desires are fixed by human genetic nature.

Friedrich Nietzsche explained that human beings are "determined" by their bodies and are subject to its passions, impulses, and instincts.[17]

Fatalism

Fatalism is normally distinguished from determinism,[18] as a form of teleological determinism. Fatalism is the idea that everything is fated to happen, resulting in humans having no control over their future. Fate has arbitrary power, and does not necessarily follow any causal or deterministic laws.[7] Types of fatalism include hard theological determinism and the idea of predestination, where there is a God who determines all that humans will do. This may be accomplished through either foreknowledge of their actions, achieved through omniscience[19] or by predetermining their actions.[20]

Theological

Theological determinism is a form of determinism that holds that all events that happen are either preordained (i.e., predestined) to happen by a monotheistic deity, or are destined to occur given its omniscience. Two forms of theological determinism exist, referred to as strong and weak theological determinism.[21]

Strong theological determinism is based on the concept of a creator deity dictating all events in history: "everything that happens has been predestined to happen by an omniscient, omnipotent divinity."[22]

Weak theological determinism is based on the concept of divine foreknowledge—"because God's omniscience is perfect, what God knows about the future will inevitably happen, which means, consequently, that the future is already fixed."[23] There exist slight variations on this categorization, however. Some claim either that theological determinism requires predestination of all events and outcomes by the divinity—i.e., they do not classify the weaker version as theological determinism unless libertarian free will is assumed to be denied as a consequence—or that the weaker version does not constitute theological determinism at all.[24]

With respect to free will, "theological determinism is the thesis that God exists and has infallible knowledge of all true propositions including propositions about our future actions," more minimal criteria designed to encapsulate all forms of theological determinism.[25]

Theological determinism can also be seen as a form of causal determinism, in which the antecedent conditions are the nature and will of God.[6] Some have asserted that Augustine of Hippo introduced theological determinism into Christianity in 412 CE, whereas all prior Christian authors supported free will against Stoic and Gnostic determinism.[26] However, there are many Biblical passages that seem to support the idea of some kind of theological determinism."


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I'll return to consider how these theories support and contradict the universe reality perspective presented in the Papers in their attempt to understand causes and effects, the Original Cause of the First Source and Center of creation and reality, and eternal loop of potentialities realized (becoming new causes for new effects in a perpetual engine of cause and effect.

What are the effects of a self perpetuating mechanism of evolutionary and progressive experiential perfecting dependent upon trillions of freewill personalities in time, each connected to creative and existential Deity where love is the current/currency/force of spiritization and perfecting aspiration that purifies and distilled an essence of progressive destiny that may be inevitable, and yet is clearly not predetermined, but is also predictable if the arc and trajectory of progress can be viewed with sufficient awareness of the past, the present, and both of those relative to the future???

I look forward to the thoughts of others and a dive into the UB text to consider how the UB reality perspective presents such a unifying and harmonizing integration of lucidity and reason to such fascinating philosophical wonderment!

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Unfortunately, so called modern science is stuck and stymied by its dependence on the false belief that there is no First Cause (or the fallacy of a singularity event without explanationknown as The Big Bang). Science seeks the source and origin of reality, and the scientific method will eventually solve this great mystery so well described in the UB. Science cannot and will never prove creation without causation...or purpose....or intentionality!

1:5.8 (28.5) Notwithstanding that God is an eternal power, a majestic presence, a transcendent ideal, and a glorious spirit, though he is all these and infinitely more, nonetheless, he is truly and everlastingly a perfect Creator personality, a person who can “know and be known,” who can “love and be loved,” and one who can befriend us; while you can be known, as other humans have been known, as the friend of God. He is a real spirit and a spiritual reality.

1:5.9 (28.6)As we see the Universal Father revealed throughout his universe; as we discern him indwelling his myriads of creatures; as we behold him in the persons of his Sovereign Sons; as we continue to sense his divine presence here and there, near and afar, let us not doubt nor question his personality primacy. Notwithstanding all these far-flung distributions, he remains a true person and everlastingly maintains personal connection with the countless hosts of his creatures scattered throughout the universe of universes.

1:5.10 (28.7)The idea of the personality of the Universal Father is an enlarged and truer concept of God which has come to mankind chiefly through revelation. Reason, wisdom, and religious experience all infer and imply the personality of God, but they do not altogether validate it. Even the indwelling Thought Adjuster is prepersonal. The truth and maturity of any religion is directly proportional to its concept of the infinite personality of God and to its grasp of the absolute unity of Deity. The idea of a personal Deity becomes, then, the measure of religious maturity after religion has first formulated the concept of the unity of God.

1:5.11 (29.1)Primitive religion had many personal gods, and they were fashioned in the image of man. Revelation affirms the validity of the personality concept of God which is merely possible in the scientific postulate of a First Cause and is only provisionally suggested in the philosophic idea of Universal Unity. Only by personality approach can any person begin to comprehend the unity of God. To deny the personality of the First Source and Center leaves one only the choice of two philosophic dilemmas: materialism or pantheism.

1:5.12 (29.2)In the contemplation of Deity, the concept of personality must be divested of the idea of corporeality. A material body is not indispensable to personality in either man or God. The corporeality error is shown in both extremes of human philosophy. In materialism, since man loses his body at death, he ceases to exist as a personality; in pantheism, since God has no body, he is not, therefore, a person. The superhuman type of progressing personality functions in a union of mind and spirit.

1:5.13 (29.3)Personality is not simply an attribute of God; it rather stands for the totality of the co-ordinated infinite nature and the unified divine will which is exhibited in eternity and universality of perfect expression. Personality, in the supreme sense, is the revelation of God to the universe of universes.

1:5.14 (29.4) God, being eternal, universal, absolute, and infinite, does not grow in knowledge nor increase in wisdom. God does not acquire experience, as finite man might conjecture or comprehend, but he does, within the realms of his own eternal personality, enjoy those continuous expansions of self-realization which are in certain ways comparable to, and analogous with, the acquirement of new experience by the finite creatures of the evolutionary worlds.

1:5.15 (29.5)The absolute perfection of the infinite God would cause him to suffer the awful limitations of unqualified finality of perfectness were it not a fact that the Universal Father directly participates in the personality struggle of every imperfect soul in the wide universe who seeks, by divine aid, to ascend to the spiritually perfect worlds on high. This progressive experience of every spirit being and every mortal creature throughout the universe of universes is a part of the Father’s ever-expanding Deity-consciousness of the never-ending divine circle of ceaseless self-realization.

1:5.16 (29.6)It is literally true: “In all your afflictions he is afflicted.” “In all your triumphs he triumphs in and with you.” His prepersonal divine spirit is a real part of you. The Isle of Paradise responds to all the physical metamorphoses of the universe of universes; the Eternal Son includes all the spirit impulses of all creation; the Conjoint Actor encompasses all the mind expression of the expanding cosmos. The Universal Father realizes in the fullness of the divine consciousness all the individual experience of the progressive struggles of the expanding minds and the ascending spirits of every entity, being, and personality of the whole evolutionary creation of time and space. And all this is literally true, for “in Him we all live and move and have our being.”

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4:4.7 (59.3)In science, God is the First Cause; in religion, the universal and loving Father; in philosophy, the one being who exists by himself, not dependent on any other being for existence but beneficently conferring reality of existence on all things and upon all other beings. But it requires revelation to show that the First Cause of science and the self-existent Unity of philosophy are the God of religion, full of mercy and goodness and pledged to effect the eternal survival of his children on earth.

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4. Primary and Secondary Causation

118:4.1 (1298.1) Many of the theologic difficulties and the metaphysical dilemmas of mortal man are due to man’s mislocation of Deity personality and consequent assignment of infinite and absolute attributes to subordinate Divinity and to evolutionary Deity. You must not forget that, while there is indeed a true First Cause, there are also a host of co-ordinate and subordinate causes, both associate and secondary causes.

118:4.2 (1298.2)The vital distinction between first causes and second causes is that first causes produce original effects which are free from inheritance of any factor derived from any antecedent causation. Secondary causes yield effects which invariably exhibit inheritance from other and preceding causation.

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To continue in Paper 118:

118:4.4 (1298.4) [b]Causation, disregarding existentials, is threefold in its basic constitution[/b]. As it operates in this universe age and concerning the finite level of the seven superuniverses, it may be conceived as follows:

118:4.5 (1298.5)1. Activation of static potentials. The establishment of destiny in the Universal Absolute by the actions of the Deity Absolute, operating in and upon the Unqualified Absolute and in consequence of the volitional mandates of the Paradise Trinity.

118:4.6 (1298.6)2. Eventuation of universe capacities. This involves the transformation of undifferentiated potentials into segregated and defined plans. This is the act of the Ultimacy of Deity and of the manifold agencies of the transcendental level. Such acts are in perfect anticipation of the future needs of the entire master universe. It is in connection with the segregation of potentials that the Architects of the Master Universe exist as the veritable embodiments of the Deity concept of the universes. Their plans appear to be ultimately space limited in extent by the concept periphery of the master universe, but as plans they are not otherwise conditioned by time or space.

118:4.7 (1298.7)3. Creation and evolution of universe actuals. It is upon a cosmos impregnated by the capacity-producing presence of the Ultimacy of Deity that the Supreme Creators operate to effect the time transmutations of matured potentials into experiential actuals. Within the master universe all actualization of potential reality is limited by ultimate capacity for development and is time-space conditioned in the final stages of emergence. The Creator Sons going out from Paradise are, in actuality, transformative creators in the cosmic sense. But this in no manner invalidates man’s concept of them as creators; from the finite viewpoint they certainly can and do create.

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118:7.1 (1300.5) The function of Creator will and creature will, in the grand universe, operates within the limits, and in accordance with the possibilities, established by the Master Architects. This foreordination of these maximum limits does not, however, in the least abridge the sovereignty of creature will within these boundaries. Neither does ultimate foreknowledge—full allowance for all finite choice—constitute an abrogation of finite volition. A mature and farseeing human being might be able to forecast the decision of some younger associate most accurately, but this foreknowledge takes nothing away from the freedom and genuineness of the decision itself. The Gods have wisely limited the range of the action of immature will, but it is true will, nonetheless, within these defined limits.

118:7.2 (1300.6) Even the supreme correlation of all past, present, and future choice does not invalidate the authenticity of such choosings. It rather indicates the foreordained trend of the cosmos and suggests foreknowledge of those volitional beings who may, or may not, elect to become contributory parts of the experiential actualization of all reality.

118:7.3 (1300.7) Error in finite choosing is time bound and time limited. It can exist only in time and within the evolving presence of the Supreme Being. Such mistaken choosing is time possible and indicates (besides the incompleteness of the Supreme) that certain range of choice with which immature creatures must be endowed in order to enjoy universe progression by making freewill contact with reality.

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The Urantia Papers are quite clear and specific and thorough in their presentations that reality is not simply mechanistic or without purpose or plan or design or function but is, rather, actively managed by existential Deity and also by beings whose freewill experiential wisdom is elemental to creation and co-creative in a progressive, evolutionary, and eternally perfecting system.

The personalities of freewill in time - the children of time - perpetually realize potentials and create new potentials for further realization/actualization in an ever expanding AND ever perfecting universe of universes. This is reality. Plan, purpose, potential, process, progress, perfecting.

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118:9.4 (1303.5) The grand universe is mechanism as well as organism, mechanical and living—a living mechanism activated by a Supreme Mind, co-ordinating with a Supreme Spirit, and finding expression on maximum levels of power and personality unification as the Supreme Being. But to deny the mechanism of the finite creation is to deny fact and to disregard reality.

118:9.5 (1303.6) Mechanisms are the products of mind, creative mind acting on and in cosmic potentials. Mechanisms are the fixed crystallizations of Creator thought, and they ever function true to the volitional concept that gave them origin. But the purposiveness of any mechanism is in its origin, not in its function.

118:9.6 (1303.7)These mechanisms should not be thought of as limiting the action of Deity; rather is it true that in these very mechanics Deity has achieved one phase of eternal expression. The basic universe mechanisms have come into existence in response to the absolute will of the First Source and Center, and they will therefore eternally function in perfect harmony with the plan of the Infinite; they are, indeed, the nonvolitional patterns of that very plan.

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So...there is a "causal chain". Indeed. But philosophy and science and evolutionary religion deny or are blind to the very real fact and function of experiential aggregations and integration which results in perpetual, evolutionary progress which is occurring throughout the universes of time.

The perfect and perfected in partnership with the perfecting to create an even more perfect expression of God's will and way in a friendly universe of universes filled, yet endlessly growing, by the family of creation!

WOW!!!! :!: :idea: :biggrin: :wink:

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So...there is a "causal chain". Indeed. But philosophy and science and evolutionary religion deny or are blind to the very real fact and function of experiential aggregations and integration which results in perpetual, evolutionary progress which is occurring throughout the universes of time.

The perfect and perfected in partnership with the perfecting to create an even more perfect expression of God's will and way in a friendly universe of universes filled, yet endlessly growing, by the family of creation!

WOW!!!! :!: :idea: :biggrin: :wink:


From Wiki posted above:

"Causal determinism proposes that there is an unbroken chain of prior occurrences stretching back to the origin of the universe. The relation between events and the origin of the universe may not be specified. Causal determinists believe that there is nothing in the universe that has no cause or is self-caused. Causal determinism has also been considered more generally as the idea that everything that happens or exists is caused by antecedent conditions.[7] In the case of nomological determinism, these conditions are considered events also, implying that the future is determined completely by preceding events—a combination of prior states of the universe and the laws of nature.[5] These conditions can also be considered metaphysical in origin (such as in the case of theological determinism).[6]"


Couple of things:

First, the UB teaches that God, the First Source and Center of creation is definitely "self-caused". God is the original cause of all subsequent effects and outcomes and destinies.

Second, the UB teaches/confirms that causes and effects demonstrate the universe reality of karmic repercussions of freewill, the harvesting what is sown, as the elemental and foundational basis of evolutionary progress.


94:3.5 (1030.5) The karma principle of causality continuity is, again, very close to the truth of the repercussional synthesis of all time-space actions in the Deity presence of the Supreme; but this postulate never provided for the co-ordinate personal attainment of Deity by the individual religionist, only for the ultimate engulfment of all personality by the Universal Oversoul.

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Freewill does not, as it turns out, result in chaos or anarchy or might as right...eventually freewill choices result in experiential wisdom and the discovery that's what's best for the most is also best for each.

The Golden Rule is really not so altruistic actually, but is in our own, personal best interests. Our own self interest is best served by the others' and group's best interests. Funny that.

But the Papers also teach that it is only by our Deity Connections that we also come to embrace morality and idealism and spirituality which takes evolutionary progress and experiential wisdom to new dimensions and creates new potentialities that no mechanism or humanism might ever discover or deliver without Divine Assurance and insight and inspiration and guidance.

Altruism, ethics, morality, idealism...all come only by our Spirit natures delivered by our personal Deity Connections.

Freewill precludes "fatalism". There is planetary and universal destiny, but at the same time there is also uncertainty and potential, which can only be realized and actualized by freewill choices by freewill personalities in time.

And as freewill realizes and actualizes prior potentials, now new potentials are created. The effects become new causes for new and greater effects in this feedback loop of creationism-by-evolutionary-progress.

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Again, from Wiki posted above:

"Fatalism

Fatalism is normally distinguished from determinism,[18] as a form of theological determinism. Fatalism is the idea that everything is fated to happen, resulting in humans having no control over their future. Fate has arbitrary power, and does not necessarily follow any causal or deterministic laws.[7] Types of fatalism include hard theological determinism and the idea of predestination, where there is a God who determines all that humans will do. This may be accomplished through either foreknowledge of their actions, achieved through omniscience[19] or by predetermining their actions.[20]


Me here: please review Paper 118 to reconcile and solve the paradox just presented!!

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From Wiki, posted above:

"Predeterminism

Predeterminism is the idea that all events are determined in advance.[10][11] The concept is often argued by invoking causal determinism, implying that there is an unbroken chain of prior occurrences stretching back to the origin of the universe. In the case of predeterminism, this chain of events has been pre-established, and human actions cannot interfere with the outcomes of this pre-established chain."


So...the UB teaches that while universe destinies are predictable inevitabilities and God knows those ultimate outcomes in eternity, there are trillions of variables and unexpected outcomes in time which certainly deliver countless inherent uncertainties to the cause and effect cycles which occur in the sequential time reality evolution of the perfecting process of freewill causes and effects in reaching that eventual destiny outcome.

God does not experience uncertainty I don't believe. But the children of time sure do. So too does Michael, a Divine Creator Son. The path to reality destiny is quite surprising and unpredictable and uncertain for the Pilgrims of time as we progress in wisdom and the Spirit. Personal adventures are certain but adventures can only exist by the uncertainty of outcomes and choices of all the freewill personalities in reality.

The whole proceeds according to the progress of the each and, likewise are the each affected (or effected) by the momentum and mass and trajectory of the whole. More paradox!!

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116:6.6 (1275.6)And as it is with the parts, so it is with the whole; the spirit person of Supremacy requires the evolutionary power of the Almighty to achieve completion of Deity and to attain destiny of Trinity association. The effort is made by the personalities of time and space, but the culmination and consummation of this effort is the act of the Almighty Supreme. And while the growth of the whole is thus a totalizing of the collective growth of the parts, it equally follows that the evolution of the parts is a segmented reflection of the purposive growth of the whole.

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Paper 117

God the Supreme

117:0.1 (1278.1)TO THE extent that we do the will of God in whatever universe station we may have our existence, in that measure the almighty potential of the Supreme becomes one step more actual. The will of God is the purpose of the First Source and Center as it is potentialized in the three Absolutes, personalized in the Eternal Son, conjoined for universe action in the Infinite Spirit, and eternalized in the everlasting patterns of Paradise. And God the Supreme is becoming the highest finite manifestation of the total will of God.

117:0.2 (1278.2) If all grand universers should ever relatively achieve the full living of the will of God, then would the time-space creations be settled in light and life, and then would the Almighty, the deity potential of Supremacy, become factual in the emergence of the divine personality of God the Supreme.

117:0.3 (1278.3)When an evolving mind becomes attuned to the circuits of cosmic mind, when an evolving universe becomes stabilized after the pattern of the central universe, when an advancing spirit contacts the united ministry of the Master Spirits, when an ascending mortal personality finally attunes to the divine leading of the indwelling Adjuster, then has the actuality of the Supreme become real by one more degree in the universes; then has the divinity of Supremacy advanced one more step toward cosmic realization.

117:0.4 (1278.4) The parts and individuals of the grand universe evolve as a reflection of the total evolution of the Supreme, while in turn the Supreme is the synthetic cumulative total of all grand universe evolution. From the mortal viewpoint both are evolutionary and experiential reciprocals.

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118:10.18 (1306.7) To realize providence in time, man must accomplish the task of achieving perfection. But man can even now foretaste this providence in its eternity meanings as he ponders the universe fact that all things, be they good or evil, work together for the advancement of God-knowing mortals in their quest for the Father of all.

118:10.19 (1306.8) Providence becomes increasingly discernible as men reach upward from the material to the spiritual. The attainment of completed spiritual insight enables the ascending personality to detect harmony in what was theretofore chaos. Even morontia mota represents a real advance in this direction.

118:10.20 (1307.1)Providence is in part the overcontrol of the incomplete Supreme manifested in the incomplete universes, and it must therefore ever be:

118:10.21 (1307.2)1. Partial—due to the incompleteness of the actualization of the Supreme Being, and

118:10.22 (1307.3)2. Unpredictable—due to the fluctuations in creature attitude, which ever varies from level to level, thus causing apparently variable reciprocal response in the Supreme.

118:10.23 (1307.4)When men pray for providential intervention in the circumstances of life, many times the answer to their prayer is their own changed attitudes toward life. But providence is not whimsical, neither is it fantastic nor magical. It is the slow and sure emergence of the mighty sovereign of the finite universes, whose majestic presence the evolving creatures occasionally detect in their universe progressions. Providence is the sure and certain march of the galaxies of space and the personalities of time toward the goals of eternity, first in the Supreme, then in the Ultimate, and perhaps in the Absolute. And in infinity we believe there is the same providence, and this is the will, the actions, the purpose of the Paradise Trinity thus motivating the cosmic panorama of universes upon universes.

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Consider that the universe is stabilizing materially and growing in the number of evolutionary inhabited worlds and total population of personalities while universally gaining experiential wisdom and spiritization and maturity.

Consider that the universe of universes is a friendly, even paternal, environment of nurturing love, mercy, patience, kindness, generosity, teamwork, mentoring, and inclusion for the children of time.

Consider that experiential Deity, God the Supreme, is aggregating and integrating and unifying and harmonizing and personalizing and Deitizing the collective totality of all the love, truth, beauty, goodness, wisdom, and spiritualization experienced and expressed by every being in time during the growth and perfecting cycles of the evolutionary universes of time.

The universe of universes, even and especially the evolutionary universes of time, are far more complex than the simplistic causes and effects that human science pursues and offers us today. Human science will never understand universe reality until it accepts Original Cause, the Cause Without Cause, and the personal and purposeful and intentional functionality of the existential and experiential realities in time.

Consider that the UB teaches that such an enlightened time to come is inevitable on our world and all 7 trillion inhabited worlds of time.

After all, there are certain inevitabilities of future outcomes when experiential and progressive evolution is Deity organized and Deity managed.

Such realities should give us confidence in the uncertainties and adventures of time!!!

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14:5.10 (159.6) Love of adventure, curiosity, and dread of monotony—these traits inherent in evolving human nature—were not put there just to aggravate and annoy you during your short sojourn on earth, but rather to suggest to you that death is only the beginning of an endless career of adventure, an everlasting life of anticipation, an eternal voyage of discovery.

14:5.11 (160.1) Curiosity—the spirit of investigation, the urge of discovery, the drive of exploration—is a part of the inborn and divine endowment of evolutionary space creatures. These natural impulses were not given you merely to be frustrated and repressed. True, these ambitious urges must frequently be restrained during your short life on earth, disappointment must be often experienced, but they are to be fully realized and gloriously gratified during the long ages to come.

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117:4.11 (1284.7) The great struggle of this universe age is between the potential and the actual—the seeking for actualization by all that is as yet unexpressed. If mortal man proceeds upon the Paradise adventure, he is following the motions of time, which flow as currents within the stream of eternity; if mortal man rejects the eternal career, he is moving counter to the stream of events in the finite universes. The mechanical creation moves on inexorably in accordance with the unfolding purpose of the Paradise Father, but the volitional creation has the choice of accepting or of rejecting the role of personality participation in the adventure of eternity. Mortal man cannot destroy the supreme values of human existence, but he can very definitely prevent the evolution of these values in his own personal experience. To the extent that the human self thus refuses to take part in the Paradise ascent, to just that extent is the Supreme delayed in achieving divinity expression in the grand universe.

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118:9.4 (1303.5) The grand universe is mechanism as well as organism, mechanical and living—a living mechanism activated by a Supreme Mind, co-ordinating with a Supreme Spirit, and finding expression on maximum levels of power and personality unification as the Supreme Being. But to deny the mechanism of the finite creation is to deny fact and to disregard reality.

118:9.5 (1303.6) Mechanisms are the products of mind, creative mind acting on and in cosmic potentials. Mechanisms are the fixed crystallizations of Creator thought, and they ever function true to the volitional concept that gave them origin. But the purposiveness of any mechanism is in its origin, not in its function.

118:9.6 (1303.7)These mechanisms should not be thought of as limiting the action of Deity; rather is it true that in these very mechanics Deity has achieved one phase of eternal expression. The basic universe mechanisms have come into existence in response to the absolute will of the First Source and Center, and they will therefore eternally function in perfect harmony with the plan of the Infinite; they are, indeed, the nonvolitional patterns of that very plan.

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118:9.9 (1304.2) God the Supreme is the personalization of all universe experience, the focalization of all finite evolution, the maximation of all creature reality, the consummation of cosmic wisdom, the embodiment of the harmonious beauties of the galaxies of time, the truth of cosmic mind meanings, and the goodness of supreme spirit values. And God the Supreme will, in the eternal future, synthesize these manifold finite diversities into one experientially meaningful whole, even as they are now existentially united on absolute levels in the Paradise Trinity.

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So...no level of universe reality and no personalities in the universe of universes are projections or simulations or imaginary by an definition...according to the Papers. Every personality and all beings endowed with personality, mind, volitional freewill, and Deity Connections are real and relevant and receive the Divine Affection. We all also share in the purpose and destiny of experiential and evolutionary progress in partnership with Existential and Experiential Deity.

106:2.1 (1164.4)As God the Sevenfold functionally co-ordinates finite evolution, so does the Supreme Being eventually synthesize destiny attainment. The Supreme Being is the deity culmination of grand universe evolution—physical evolution around a spirit nucleus and eventual dominance of the spirit nucleus over the encircling and whirling domains of physical evolution. And all of this takes place in accordance with the mandates of personality: Paradise personality in the highest sense, Creator personality in the universe sense, mortal personality in the human sense, Supreme personality in the culminating or experiential totaling sense.

106:2.2 (1164.5)The concept of the Supreme must provide for the differential recognition of spirit person, evolutionary power, and power-personality synthesis—the unification of evolutionary power with, and its dominance by, spirit personality.

106:2.3 (1164.6)Spirit, in the last analysis, comes from Paradise through Havona. Energy-matter seemingly evolves in the depths of space and is organized as power by the children of the Infinite Spirit in conjunction with the Creator Sons of God. And all of this is experiential; it is a transaction in time and space involving a wide range of living beings including even Creator divinities and evolutionary creatures. The power mastery of the Creator divinities in the grand universe slowly expands to encompass the evolutionary settling and stabilizing of the time-space creations, and this is the flowering of the experiential power of God the Sevenfold. It encompasses the whole gamut of divinity attainment in time and space from the Adjuster bestowals of the Universal Father to the life bestowals of the Paradise Sons. This is earned power, demonstrated power, experiential power; it stands in contrast to the eternity power, the unfathomable power, the existential power of the Paradise Deities.

106:2.4 (1165.1)This experiential power arising out of the divinity achievements of God the Sevenfold itself manifests the cohesive qualities of divinity by synthesizing—totalizing—as the almighty power of the attained experiential mastery of the evolving creations. And this almighty power in turn finds spirit-personality cohesion on the pilot sphere of the outer belt of Havona worlds in union with the spirit personality of the Havona presence of God the Supreme. Thus does experiential Deity culminate the long evolutionary struggle by investing the power product of time and space with the spirit presence and divine personality resident in the central creation.

106:2.5 (1165.2) Thus does the Supreme Being eventually attain to the embrace of all of everything evolving in time and space while investing these qualities with spirit personality. Since creatures, even mortals, are personality participants in this majestic transaction, so do they certainly attain the capacity to know the Supreme and to perceive the Supreme as true children of such an evolutionary Deity.

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