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But wait, there's more. Being optimized for infrared observation, the JWST may be the best tool we'll have, at least for the next 30 years, to prove or disprove the UB model of a superuniverse (Orvonton) being made up of "immediately recognizable" (15:3.4) major sector spirals, as I try to sketch in this video from time 33:16 to 38:18.


The science in The Urantia Book is not my strong suit, but I really enjoy it nonetheless. I have been so excited to think how the JWST might help in a practical way to corroborate (or not) the cosmology of the book. Your video was very helpful, Nigel And now, I am even more excited!!!

Thanks so much for sharing that...

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Speaking of "...faith in the message given to us by God through the authors of the UB.", is that message doom and gloom or despair or anxiety?


I don't think you should criticize and disparage something that you you don't understand, brother :mrgreen: Don't hate me I'm just a messenger. The emotions you mention (doom, gloom, dispair and anxiety) are your emotions, caused in you by reading my words, not my emotions, yours. My emotions are hope, and frustration that brothers and sisters want to remain in a half awake in a euphoric state of mind instead of wakind up and becoming peoactive in saving our atmosphere. You are like the frog in the hot water that is coming to a boil and won't jump out of the hot water to save itself. I know you don't like people like me that don't buy all the happy talk, but the soup we are in is coming to a boil. We have been given a life line; a way out. I suggest we take it. As I said before, we are already a hundred years late.


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The Papers supported by proven science is a powerful combination. Thrilling times!


Hi pethuel, I agree, but in my view "first cause, Supreme Being, God etc...."can never be scientifically be proven. God will always be a matter of faith. The best we can hope for is for science to prove the existence of emergent energy (ultimatons) that fill the content of space, from which atomic energy is born; and understand that process (mesotron).

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graybear says above: "I don't think you should criticize and disparage something that you you don't understand, brother  Don't hate me I'm just a messenger. The emotions you mention (doom, gloom, dispair and anxiety) are your emotions, caused in you by reading my words, not my emotions, yours. My emotions are hope, and frustration that brothers and sisters want to remain in a half awake in a euphoric state of mind instead of wakind up and becoming peoactive in saving our atmosphere. You are like the frog in the hot water that is coming to a boil and won't jump out of the hot water to save itself. I know you don't like people like me that don't buy all the happy talk, but the soup we are in is coming to a boil. We have been given a life line; a way out. I suggest we take it. As I said before, we are already a hundred years late."




And yet....what is the "message" of the UB do you think?

And what progress has been made since Silent Spring and rivers on fire and acid rain with LA smog too thick to see LA and the first Earth Day 50 years ago?

Nothing good then to report? No progress?? Only despair to share?? That's the message of the Revelation?

Really??? Hmmm.... Sad.

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"Can you tell me what the Webb telescope can do to help us understand..."

One of the surprises faced by cosmologists has been the apparent existence of large disk galaxies with very high redshifts. However, a problem for astronomers trying to observe such things has been that as the redshifts of distant sources increase, the wavelengths of their photons are shifted out of the range that the Hubble Space Telescope (and thus its spectrograph) can observe. Fortunately for UB students, one of the design goals of the JWST was to pick up where the Hubble left off -- sources with very high redshifts are literally shifted into an optimal range for the JWST.

Why is this interesting for us?

If the JWST spots large disk galaxies with redshift greater than say, z=15, then the idea that the CMB must be a surface of last scattering released less than 14 billion years ago can no longer be entertained. In other words, inflationary lambda-CDM Big Bang cosmology will have been disproved, and cosmologists will be ready (compelled) to consider alternatives.

But wait, there's more. Being optimized for infrared observation, the JWST may be the best tool we'll have, at least for the next 30 years, to prove or disprove the UB model of a superuniverse (Orvonton) being made up of "immediately recognizable" (15:3.4) major sector spirals, as I try to sketch in this video from time 33:16 to 38:18.

PS: recall that "major sectors" are said to have the potential for about 100 billion inhabited worlds. Since our Milky Way spiral seems to have about 400 billion planet-supporting suns, it seems to tick that major sector box?

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Hi Nigel, thank you for the work you do. :D You have given me a beautiful picture in my mind of how the cosmos works. well done!

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Sorry for not being particularly engaged in this topic recently. Sometimes you need to gauge when likely breakthroughs are immanent and when they are not, and therefore when it is profitable to invest and when it is not...

In watching this video, the thought spontaneously arises, doesn't the concept of "Paradise as a nucleus" break "Symmetry" in the common language of today's physicists?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Q4UAiKacw

"Symmetry breaking" is a very important concept if you are attempting to express UB concepts in modern human terms...


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Sorry for not being particularly engaged in this topic recently. Sometimes you need to gauge when likely breakthroughs are immanent and when they are not, and therefore when it is profitable to invest and when it is not...

In watching this video, the thought spontaneously arises, doesn't the concept of "Paradise as a nucleus" break "Symmetry" in the common language of today's physicists?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Q4UAiKacw

"Symmetry breaking" is a very important concept if you are attempting to express UB concepts in modern human terms...


When scientists descover the rolll that linear gravity plays in the creation of matter, the symmetry will become simple and obvious. Their math has become so complicated and confused that it has no answers, only more unanswerable questions.

I don't know if a breakthrough is immanent, I can only hope so. It seems the best thing about being a physicist these days "your dead by the time the future can blame you for missing the obvious." Powers Snail's pace. We need to speed it up.

I have invested my time and a little money in my pyramid, vortex generator, gravity machine for almost 40 years. I'll probably be long dead before anyone sees the truth of it, but I keep on keepin' on. Sometimes I feel like I'm beating a dead horse.

Here is something that might help: Masses don't attract other masses! Linear gravity is the incessant pull that a mass exerts on emergent energy, also know as dark matter (ultimatons).

Paradise gravity is at the center of all atomic activity, because it is the energy source for linear gravity, just as linear gravity is the energy source for star ignition.

Ultimatons are the building blocks of atoms. The Urantia book says that there are 100 ultimatons in an electron.

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The objective of this study is to use logic and a justified speculation (small leap of faith) to define gravity as the movement of a puissant emergent energy field of alpha particles (ultimatons). Currently science can detect the gravitational influence of this energy field and they heard it back in 1964. They use the terms dark energy and dark matter. Maybe they should just call it dark gravitational energy. These pre-atomic particles, like neutrinos, have no charge and do not directly interact with atomic mass, even though they penetrate every atom of our bodies by the billions every second. This alpha particle field flows into the creation of the atomic universe like air flows into a fire. The Genesis Framework of Alpha Particle Formation (Mesotron) causes a flow of alpha particles into the electronic organization of atoms that is constant as long as the atom has an active nucleus. This the beginning of linear gravity. Every atom in the universe pulls in alpha particles incessantly in order to remain active. In nature the best example of a simple linear gravity machine is strong EF5 tornado which is a vortex creating linear gravity and an increasing mass. Energy comes into the system from the top collapsing, condensing and increasing in mass moving toward a singularity until it encounters the earth's surface. That is when the system begins to lose it's gravitational power. A simple linear gravity machine is just a vortex seeking a singularity

This study defines weight as the indirect push on the atoms of a mass as they pull on the moving alpha particle field. The alpha particle field that is moving into the earth to feed energy into all the atoms of the earth is so powerful that it overwhelms any mass that is caught in it's inward flow, and indirectly pushes it toward the earth. Everything works the same except there is no attraction between masses. Mass only attract alpha particles creating a gravity well.

It is the further aim of this study to see and understand that a quasar has the same structure or framework as an atom, and that every other thing in the atomic universe is a result of this structured action. It is Mesotron. When we look at a quasar we see dynamic gravitational collapse. At present science thinks that there is a black hole at the center of a quasar accounting for the gravitational collapse, but how can a black hole generate that kind of energy? The bowling ball on the trampoline experiment that science uses to define linear gravity as warp in space time always seemed to me to be only one half of the story. What about the other side of the bowling ball? Is there another trampoline opposite to the one? This study shows that it is not a single black hole, it is Mesotron.

A black hole is one half of Mesotron. In a quasar, for example, black hole number one seen from a perspective oriented parallel with the accretion disk and event horizon looking down the center or the vortex that is feeding the active galactic nucleus. The second black hole, with opposite spin, is seen from 180 degree different perspective; from the other side of the accretion disk looking down the center of the vortex that is feeding the active galactic nucleus. The two black holes join and push against each other creating the accretion disk, the active galactic nucleus and any relativistic jets projecting out of the active galactic nucleus that might happen. This structured action creates a growing mass within it's nucleus. From the side view Mesotron takes the shape of an hour glass. The active galactic nucleus, as it grows stronger, pulls in stars and star stuff and everything near it's black hole events horizon.

A solar Mesotron explains where the linear gravity comes from for a cloud gas to collapse into a star. The solar Mesotron would be mostly hydrogen gas particles forming the two black holes and collapsing into an active nucleus (star ignition). The linear gravity would also pull in alpha particles that would electronically organize into the elements by the influence of sub-atomic Mesotron.

Sub-atomic Mesotron is two tiny black holes that hookup and create an active nucleus, reciprocating collapsing concentric spheres and an accretion disk. Electrons exist in the accretion disk and collapse spheres. Protons are held together in the nucleus by the force the mass and the power of the Mesotron. This system pulls in alpha particles to support it's atomic activity creating quantum linear gravity.

In this study negative charge is the collapsing and condensing of the alpha particle field and positive charge is the explosion of atomic energy that comes about by the extreme negative charge of Mesotron. The "particle zoo" is nothing more than, in affect, eddies in the incoming (negative) and the outgoing (positive) flows of alpha particles in the collapsing spheres surrounding the active nucleus and accretion disk.

What is is the physical geometry underlying the standard model of particle physics and it's relation with general relativity and quantum gravity? I believe that I have shown and the experiment will confirm that Mesotron is the physical geometry underlying the standard model and that linear gravity begins with black holes, but is sustained by a growing mass or active nucleus. At some point this new mass will be able to generate enough linear gravity to sustain itself without the black holes. Now we can get away from the belief that linear gravity is a pull and begin to see linear gravity as a push. If we create a Mesotron of particles strong enough to have a gravity field of it's own, everything inside of that gravity field will be pushed toward Mesotron and not pushed toward earth and therefore would be weightless to earth. If we produce a Mesotron in our atmosphere we will have the energy source that might just give us a chance to clean up our air and water.

Neutrinos are alpha particles that have cycled through the electronic organization of matter by atomic reactions and come out the other side as what they were before atomic creation, alpha particles (ultimatons) aka dark matter and dark energy. They do have mass but no charge because charge is a byproduct of the electronic organization of matter. When atomic reactions or atomic explosions happen they destroy Mesotron and melt down the atomic structure of the atom that was created and held together by Mesotron. These reactions have no power to degrade alpha particles which return to the alpha field and become part of linear gravity and creation again. They do not just fly through the earth, they feed the atoms of the earth. It is this flow of alpha particles that we need to learn to control if we are to overcome earth's gravity.

Big bang is just bad science(BS). Before the horn antenna detected the alpha particle field raining down on earth, that science called a relic of the big bang, Einstein's equations predicted a gently expanding universe which was correct. His perceived need for a cosmological constant was created by his misunderstanding of linear gravity. He assumed that everything in the universe had some attraction to everything else in the universe, wrong! As this study shows there is no attraction between masses.

Here is the biggest pile of big bang BS. Background radiation from the big bang. What the COBE actually detected was the alpha particle field electronically organizing itself into atomic energy. Heat is the byproduct of Mesotron. Hotter spots were created by a higher concentration of mesotronic activity. Slightly hotter spots would have more energy than coller spots; so more particles could evolve in the hot spots. No need for a primeval atom. The computer generated map of the background radiation, "the cosmic egg", is not proof of a big bang, that is just a wrong assumption.


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When I first found the Urantia Book I was sure that it would yield a brotherhood of man, but it has been taken over by the same old fake Christian mind set as all of the other Christian clique's. Pick a clique. You people, especially fanofvan-ity, are very good at preaching to the choir, but if someone comes along that doesn't fit into your clique, you spew hateful diatribes and even censor them. Try to remember what put Jesus on the cross. Your rank-smelling, self serving hypocrisy stinks to high heaven! I wonder what Jesus thinks of people using his name in their foolishness. If you want to represent Jesus, you should not hate people with whom you disagree. Stand up for the strength of your conviction and be nice.

Don't bother with any hateful diatribes or censorship toward me. I've heard It all before.

My message has been delivered. "Had you not been told....."

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When I first found the Urantia Book I was sure that it would yield a brotherhood of man, but it has been taken over by the same old fake Christian mind set as all of the other Christian clique's. Pick a clique. You people, especially fanofvan-ity, are very good at preaching to the choir, but if someone comes along that doesn't fit into your clique, you spew hateful diatribes and even censor them. Try to remember what put Jesus on the cross. Your rank-smelling, self serving hypocrisy stinks to high heaven! I wonder what Jesus thinks of people using his name in their foolishness. If you want to represent Jesus, you should not hate people with whom you disagree. Stand up for the strength of your conviction and be nice.

Don't bother with any hateful diatribes or censorship toward me. I've heard It all before.

My message has been delivered. "Had you not been told....."

goodbye


WTHeck??

This is being nice?

"Hateful diatribes"... indeed. :-s

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When I first found the Urantia Book I was sure that it would yield a brotherhood of man, but it has been taken over by the same old fake Christian mind set as all of the other Christian clique's. Pick a clique. You people, especially fanofvan-ity, are very good at preaching to the choir, but if someone comes along that doesn't fit into your clique, you spew hateful diatribes and even censor them. Try to remember what put Jesus on the cross. Your rank-smelling, self serving hypocrisy stinks to high heaven! I wonder what Jesus thinks of people using his name in their foolishness. If you want to represent Jesus, you should not hate people with whom you disagree. Stand up for the strength of your conviction and be nice.

Don't bother with any hateful diatribes or censorship toward me. I've heard It all before.

My message has been delivered. "Had you not been told....."

goodbye


What in the world? Graybear, are you okay? I'm worried about you...


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